You don't care about anything other than your religious fundamentalist nonsense and your ability to apply it.
 March 27, 2015 at 1:26pm
It doesn’t take The Book to tell people their behavior is wrong.
The body’s intended function (created or evolved, just to keep on point here) is self-evident. A goes into B. C is the trash chute. A does not go into C. B is unable to go into B. There are no helpful functions that occur with anything other than A into B.
If A were meant to fit into C the same as it does into B, then C and B would have approximately the same radius or circumference or SIZE … which they don’t.
Thank God … that would get reallllly messy!
The Book's intended function (written by man or by God, just to keep on point here) is self-evident. The pages are just thin enough to be used perfectly as toilet paper.
The majority of sexual behavior even among married, straight, religious, monogamous couples is for social bonding and pleasure, and this assumes just normal sex, much less all other sexual activity that straight, married, monogamous couples engage in.
 March 26, 2015 at 4:55pm
One IS crazy if they look at this world and think it happened by magic.
The answer is addressed in Creation and my stellar logic about God.
[-1] March 26, 2015 at 4:51pm
What’s with the “oh?” That’s a weird way to address someone.
I don’t think your arrogance will give you eyes to see anything, but we all have circumstances beyond our control. And the beauty of what God offers EVERYONE is the ability to choose. Those in awful, horrid situations, do have the ability to choose. They still have Creation to look at and know there’s something more out there. And God will judge them based on that sliver of His evidence. There are people like you and me who have way more information, and we too will be judged thusly.
So your point really is not relevant whatsoever to circumstance. People like Joel Osteen, yeah, he’s a charlatan whose words would not preach well to the people you speak of.
But Creation, God’s written word, or God’s Living Word, one or all of those things are available to every human who ever lived.
 March 26, 2015 at 4:46pm
That’s your argument? Opinionated logic?
Wow, that is an awfully risky gamble to suggest your own logic is enough to dispel the notion of God and eternity. Reckless too.
March 26, 2015 at 4:44pm
I already addressed your point. Please move on or offer something of substance.
 March 26, 2015 at 1:29pm
Creation reveals Him.
His written word reveals Him.
His Living Word reveals Him.
What you ask for is black and white proof, so you can gain the upper hand with God and then you get to choose based on complete disclosure. Is that love? No trust involved?
How do we get an opportunity to love someone, if we can’t trust them? What you ask for is love without trust.
 March 26, 2015 at 1:27pm
This is Satan’s world. He offered it Christ when he tempted Him.
We live in a fallen world and you accurately point out examples. God gave us free will to choose. Some choose good, some choose evil. God honors their choice because He loves them, regardless of whether they choose good or evil. In the end, people’s own choices will determine their fates and God honors their choice because He loves them, but He’s also perfect and just. I would venture a guess His heart breaks with each soul He must send to Hell because they want to go there.
March 26, 2015 at 1:24pm
Let me know when you fail yourself, or others. Because then you rely on forgiveness of yourself and others. And then other people must do the same, until the entire population is under subjugation of failure and inability to do it on their own. Who, then, does one turn to?
Quite a conundrum.
[-1] March 26, 2015 at 1:22pm
Well that was a well-articulated thought.
 March 26, 2015 at 1:20pm
Jesus already proved it. Nobody has to follow up with more proof when God Himself comes to earth and changes history and our measurement of time.
March 26, 2015 at 1:19pm
The Man who claimed to be God, Jesus, died and came back to life. He arose into Heaven, as witness testimony, its written documentation, its effect on society as fruit, and how to this day it withstands the test of time.
Sorry, but lies don’t do that. Only truth does, real Truth.
March 26, 2015 at 9:55am
One Man proved otherwise when He died and rose again.
March 26, 2015 at 9:52am
Your statement is indefensible. I challenge you to cite chapter and verse that supports it.
 March 26, 2015 at 9:48am
Grover is a certifiable liar. The only interesting thing to watch will be how he weaves the web of lies.
 March 25, 2015 at 3:41pm
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that–and shudder.
James 2:19 NIV
Their god is not God. Their god is Satan himself.
 March 25, 2015 at 2:36pm
the problem is that evolution and compassion are polar opposites, as previously stated. Survival of the fittest (evolution) does not instill moral code.
 March 25, 2015 at 1:42pm
Universal human decency just *poof* exists in each one of us, huh? Was that morality part of evolution? The whole survival-of-the-fittest (via killing and death), is that where it came from?
Christianity did not bring us morality. Jesus demonstrated it, but still did not bring it when He came. God wrote it on our hearts when He fearfully and wonderfully knit us together in the womb. To know right from wrong. To be creative. To show compassion. To work hard. To be curious and learn. To love passionately. To fight for what is right.
That’s the creative, imaginative, humorous, loving, kind and powerful God I serve.
 March 25, 2015 at 1:26pm
What the? That’s overboard. So at what age do you make this determination? Birth? Well, no because the baby can’t speak their thought. How about the age of reason, probably adolescents-ish somewhere? Well, they’re still learning, so that seems unfair. 18? 21? College Graduation day? Congrats kid, now say “I believe” or die!!
Well, as your argument falls apart here, I can only assume you’re crazy, or an atheist being a troll.
Just one of the trolls with a totally opposite name of the hate they stand for. I pray for them nanner. Not much else we can do but pity them and pray for them.
The last 2 weeks has been a bumper crop of these new sad little trolls.
While we cannot make the judgment, the truth of the matter is that anyone who does not believe in God WILL get the Death penalty for all of eternity.
God grants each of us our entire lives to repent and turn to Him. Those who do not will experience the Second Death.
But it is God and God alone Who can determine who has believed Him.
why is that overboard? brigott is right: p4c is just stating what god says. one of the many reasons i find the christian god to be a vile little character
Your statement is indefensible. I challenge you to cite chapter and verse that supports it.
enlighten me, thenannerpus. what happens to non-christians under gods plan for humanity?
as to chapter and verse, i suppose we could start with john 3:16. god has the power to grant eternal life, and does so to those who believe in his son. do you think he also grants it to those who do not believe in his son, e.g, non christians?
 March 25, 2015 at 1:24pm
“I don’t know a single atheist or agnostic who thinks that terrorizing, raping, torturing, mutilating, and killing people is remotely OK…”
But if someone else does think it’s okay? What is your foundation to argue against them? Without God, you don’t have one.
Basic human decency? It exists you know. There have been (and still are) societies in this world that are secular, however as far I know none of these societies condone raping, torturing, mutilating, and killing people.
Go to Japan, where Christianity is a small minority and the majority does not believe in any religion, and let me know how many people over there are ok with raping and murdering people.
Actually, I think it is says a lot about anyone who posses that question. The Golden Rule is found in virtually every religion and there are very few examples of normally raised people who would think it is okay. Your first statement reflected a grasp on reality. Your second reflects exactly what Robertson and the post author would like people to believe. That everyone who commits a crime is an atheist. And please explain the behavior of Mosses and his warriors as detailed in Leviticus under this context. Always particularly impressed by the instructions to his warriors to kill all the women who have born children and keep the virgins for yourself. How exactly would that be a Godly act?
'Without God, you don’t have one."
Just because you wouldn't have one without a god, doesn't mean the rest of us have that problem.
This website has gone downhill so much since it's glory days.
Blink ...Do you really believe you don't have a problem …?!?
I will tell you YOUR PROBLEM...With a society that is without God.!
~A woman can literally rip a baby out of another woman’s womb and not be charge with murder because that sick society of godless people passed a law defining that a unborn baby isn’t a living person .!
That's BS. You can be a moral person without religion.
When one is filled with the Holy Spirit, erroneous words or actions become very rare, Phil was not erroneous. God's driving that bus!
I think his point was an atheist knows there is a God deep down inside. If there were no God, then all is legal and moral. Take what you want, kill what you want, do whatever you want, because there is only you to please. If an atheist has a problem with all the mayhem he described, what was wrong with it if there is no sin? Having no God reduces men to no more than animals fighting for survival.
I've heard the old saying that those that die with the most toys wins, and that is precisely what he was talking about. A true atheist believes he has the perfect right to take what he wants and if you get the chance, you would too. If an atheist claims morals, what moral code is he clinging to and where did they come from? If you say he has no right to rape your daughter, his response would be "who says?" What makes your daughter special and why is rape forbidden and who has the power to say it's forbidden? Muslims raping and murdering women in Syria have the same god as an atheist,....Satan. They have the morals of a wild dog. Only the morals of the God of Abraham fit what we believe today. So if an atheist believes he should be afforded respect and safety from beasts, he is relying on the morals God has proclaimed. Man changes the morals of the day as his whims wander to and fro.
Phil strikes again! Asses are chafed. Feelings are hurt. Oh well. maybe they can cry and whine to their leftists politicians to create a new law preventing the use of atheists in examples.
Radical islamic muslims aren't atheists and they do stuff like that all the time.
I know several atheists who think it is okay. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc.
Pretty much every Communist in the 20th Century.
Even if 100% of atheists agreed that this stuff is wrong, WHY do they believe that? It's not because of atheism. They are borrowing the Judeo-Christian moral system.
I love Phil, but he seriously needs to shut up and ride off into the sunset.
And what if someone elses god has a different morality then yours? What foundation do you have to argue against them?
No moral absolutes without God. Just sayin'
Yes, his comments are fallacious.
First, do no harm.
Wow, so difficult.
If you have to rely on God to tell you that murder and rape are wrong, then you are a shitty person.
Satan’s greatest lie…….There is no God and there is no devil.
If there is no God, there is no hereafter.
If there is no God, there is no influence encouraging one to do good to another.
If there is no God, the only consequences to my actions are those that the government can hold against me.
If there is no God, why should I care about anyone or anything.
But there is a God. One will be held accountable for his/her actions. And, using atheism is a poor excuse for covering up your guilty conscience (or at least what use to be a guilty conscience). After time, one goes beyond feeling and the light of Christ no longer touches that soul (their doing , not His).
I as a Christian, occ get into a mild debate w atheists re the "afterlife". I always ask them this: OK if you are correct, I lose nothing when I die,.right? But if I am correct, you lose everything..you're screwed. End of story.
How does God give you some kind of special foundation when you can't prove He exists or what He really wants? That's not an objective foundation, not until you can objectively prove any of your claims about a deity.
The Bible says in many places that atheists are fools, and God laughs at them, that would have been a nice way to end his story.
It's not that that an athiest thinks that killing, raping, and torturing is OK. It's that they cannot point to a standard for it not being OK without being completely arbitrary. Add to this that they are denying the undeniable, that God has given us moral standards and a conscience to go along with them (the law written on our hearts) and you have a radical departure from morality.
There is no god. God wouldn't let terrorizing, raping, torture or mutilation happen in the first place. Where is god at while ISIS beheads, rapes and tortures Christians in Iraq and Syria? Where is god when Christian and Yazidi girls are sold as sex slaves in Iraq and Syria or when he allows people to be burned alive? If you believe in god, then he either sees it and doesn't stop it or he can't stop it. Either way your god is pretty useless.
What if God A says it's okay and God B says it isn't okay? What if everybody on Earth believes in God, but their Gods disagree on everything?
None of them can ever prove that their God is right, or that their God is even real. They all go on blind faith.
Fortunately, if laws are based on reason, logic and general well-being of all, we won't have to pull names out of a hat to decide which primitive myth is the right primitive myth.
I don't have your gods power behind me, i have my own. Atheists aren't very different then you, we just have a lack of belief of a deity we don't choose not to believe we know there is nothing.
It's interesting that ISIS, who actually does all this stuff for real, gets a pass on the moral outrage, but ole' Phil gets pilloried for just using a verbal example of evil to make his point about the ignorance of the atheist point of view of the reality of the universe.....
Are you still trotting out that dead horse of logic?
I expected more from you . Even you don't believe what you just wrote.
Come on, use your words...
Pain and suffering certainly seems to describe a CULT very well.
“I don’t know a single atheist or agnostic who thinks that terrorizing, raping, torturing, mutilating, and killing people is remotely OK…” Do you know anyone?
Even if you have a foundation to argue against them, what compels them to care? A universe without God is a universe without ultimate Justice.