The only thing the UN will accomplish by attempting to “wipe a city of the map” will be to galvanize a massive movement against them…pretty much the opposite of the “keep everyone else in line” goal. Also, if that IS their goal, they better bring a lot more than 2000 blue helmets. Juuuust saying. But this is America, that can’t happen here..
January 10, 2013 at 11:45pm
Ugh, liberals I know are all over FB the last day or two, posting the video of him on Piers and claiming this guy is a conservative right winger. “See! See! these are the people that want to keep their guns.” Stuff like that. Aggravating.
and when they called romney a right winger, that did not make you mad?
January 8, 2013 at 12:48am
Maybe if this guy put down the bong and picked up a book, he would realize that disarming law abiding citizens not only does nothing to curb violence, it increases it…also, for some odd reason, drastically increases the likelihood of tyranny…just saying. But what do I know?
~The Right Side Blog.
January 8, 2013 at 12:38am
While he is correct in many ways, Alex didn’t do himself or the cause any favors by getting fired up like that. I know we all want to scream at these ******* SOB’s, but you can’t. CNN and Piers knew what they were doing here…make the gun guy look like a crazy, and Mr. Jones played right into it sadly. We have to be smarter than these people, and considering who they are, IT SHOULDN’T BE THAT HARD! ~the right side blog
January 2, 2013 at 8:57pm
First off, how do people this stupid wipe their a** each day? Second, I think it’s cute that people like this think that forcibly disarming the country is going to be like taking candy from a baby. 100 million gun owners is a conservative estimate… Come to my town Donald, we’ll see how has the “cold dead hands.” Find The RIght Side Blog on FB and help me out!
January 2, 2013 at 12:08pm
This would be exactly what I want! My wife and I literally watch only 3 or 4 channels, yet my cable bill is 150 bucks a month! You could charge me 25 bucks per channel I watch, and I’d still come out ahead! Buuuut that means that all the channels that no one likes would be subject to the cold, harsh world of free market principles. If no one watches your crappy programming, lifetime, we, tennis, OWN, we’re looking at you!
January 2, 2013 at 1:56am
He sure talks tough, doesn’t he? Too bad he’s spineless. Actually, not spineless, he just plays for the same team…and it’s not ours. The people who thought the R’s were going to be different or do the right thing are the dummies. It’s them vs us. The ruling class that butters their own bread with our hard work, vs all of us working stiffs. They aren’t our friends, they don’t have our interests at heart, and we should stop putting our faith in them. UGH! Aggravating. Find me on facebook.
January 2, 2013 at 1:52am
Yeah, he sure talks tough doesn’t he? Too bad he’s spineless. Actually, not spineless, he’s just on the same team…people who thought the R’s were going to be different are the dummies. It’s us vs them. The ruling class that butters their own bread with our hard work vs all of us. Find me on facebook.
December 30, 2012 at 8:17pm
What exactly is a “Lincoln moment?” Is he planning to go to war with half of the country? With people who disagree with him? With people unwilling to choke down the health care bill? With people who refuse to register or give up their guns? I’m just asking, because that is one stupid ass question, even by NBC standards.
Actually, that is EXACTLY what the Communist In Chief has in mind!
December 30, 2012 at 6:47pm
What exactly is a “Lincoln moment?” Is he planning to go to war with half of the country? With people who disagree with him? With people unwilling to choke down the health care bill? With people who refuse to register or give up their guns? I’m just asking, because that is a seriously stupid question, even by NBC standards.
December 30, 2012 at 6:44pm
Only a little?
December 27, 2012 at 1:03pm
Yeah, Cessna needs a shrink…right. I think Encinom needs a library card, because they need to read a book…a history book preferably.
December 27, 2012 at 11:24am
Maybe he should move to a country where they don’t have pesky things like freedom protecting constitution or the Bible…some place nice, like Iran or Egypt.
December 27, 2012 at 10:11am
You know, if he hates the personal freedoms protected by the Constitution so much and the Bible, maybe he should go live a muslim country somewhere, and we’ll see how that works out for him. facebook.com/therightsideblog.
I love the title, where are the guns in your neighborhood? Because the legal guns purchased by permit holding noncriminal citizens are the ones you have to worry about. I also like how the dems keep throwing the term “confiscation” around. Good luck on that one guys. The day you decided to try it, you better pack a lunch, cuz it’s going to be a long one.
December 23, 2012 at 9:32pm
Me, my, I, myself, to me, my, me, dead guy, me, I, to me, my life, I’m “from” here, “my” senator, born HERE, I went to college, me, me, me, MY, MY, MY, I, I, I !!!
OKAY OKAY OKAY, we get it!!! YOU YOU YOU! NOW SHUT UP! I think America at this point is like the parent with the headache because their toddler won’t take a nap. Hey, infant in the suit, we’re exhausted, just stop, for a minute, please, we beg you.
Easy solution to this Bill… Parents need to pull their kids out of public schools. Once their kids are out, there is no reason for those parents to pay the taxes that support public education. Defund it all. If you want to keep your kids in public school, that’s fine, but you pay for it. If you don’t have kids, or you pull your kids out of the propaganda pumping public classroom, you shouldn’t have to pay. Every year we pump more and more money into the system, and it spits out future democrat voters that can’t read let alone think for themselves…it’s time to start cutting off some of that money and holding educators (both administrative and teachers) accountable for the jobs they do.
Imagine that, we want to keep our guns because we are all so racist…all of us white people are scared of the black man. OR maybe we are concerned about wannabe tyrants becoming ACTUAL tyrants. And last time I checked, tyrants come in all shapes, sizes, and races. An armed citizenry is the only thing that keeps the aspirations of the wannabe from coming true.
No, wouldn’t make a nickels worth of difference. You carry more mags. Reloads take only a second. Clinton’s assault weapons ban didn’t prevent Columbine. Norway has strict gun laws, didn’t help them. It get’s tiring telling idiots the same thing over and over. http://www.facebook.com\therightsideblog
You are corect; reduce the capacity, and I just have to carry more mags; Gregory is an 'elite lib-tard' so he is excused from the law of the ordinary pesants he purports to represent.
The AR is an excellent platform; for hunting and the range, 5 rounds is fine; for tac carb, or 3-gun I prefer the 30 rounders. cuts down on reload time.....and it's all about time.....
and that thirty round magazine made of steel, plastic and a spring did not kill anyone. It has not even been shown that the latest shooter used these mags.
For the first three days we were told that he was found with two pistols next to him, and that the AR was found in the back seat of his mom's car
Then the investigator claimed that all wounds had to come from a rifle??
When is the MSM going to speak to Kevin Jennings?
Kevin Jennings is Obama's pick for safe school Czar. What did he do to make schools safe?
Jennings claim to fame is teaching kids homosexuality in our schools. We know the gays have 64% of the syphilis, made up 57% of new HIV cases last year, but how does any of this make our schools safe?
When is the MSM going to ask real questions?
What video games did the shooter play?
They claimed he was Goth. Pontificate on this?
What music did he listen to?
The MSM called him a marksman. Did he shoot 4H air rifle, how about CMP small bore. was he or his mom and NRA member?
What movies did he watch?
Did he ever play any sports?
Did he ever go to church? What were his religious beliefs?
What kind of upbringing did he get from his dad? How often was his dad around? Did his dad teach him what it is to be a man?
What movies did he watch?
Was he currently going to school, working, or did he just sit home all day?
To my knowledge, the NRA has never shot anyone, but they do provide training for our police officers,
The MSM is such a joke.
Has there ever been a mass murder, where the killer was a competitive shooter? An NRA member?
Now check murder stats, and see how many killers we can tie to welfare? rap music? drugs? No father in the home? gang membership? liberal programs? violent video games? Eric Holder and Fast and Furious?
RANGER SKIMPY . . .And that heroin never killed anybody either. What's your point?
everyone know if shawn hanatey, rush limbo or glen beck had done this the arrest warent would allredy been ishued. im not holding my breath to see if the same standered are held to a liberal media personaly
What happened Wango-Pants? I see you changed your name and avatar.
Oh well, Merry Christmas Wango. We can put our differences aside for Christmas, right?
He committed a felony.
Come D.C., arrest him, or are your guns laws just a joke?
I think we know the answer to that.
Five rounds of 12 ga. 3" mag OO buck shot @ 12 .33" diam. lead balls is twice as many projectiles.
I understood the shooter left the rifle in the car and went in with two pistols blazing (?)
Most of those high cap mags have a higher issue of jamming. For the left this is not a issue of how many bullets a clip can hold. They are working the Moms against drunk driving angle. First you start with 30. After the next shooting you go for 15. After the next it's 5. until your down to one bullet and are accused of shooting three people with it. I am referring to the lowering of blood alcohol limits down to the point you have some NyQuil and get arrested.
Pass a million gazillion laws, and it STILL won't stop criminals from doing whatever they want!! Why is that so hard for the "intelligentsia" to comprehend? And why do so many hang on every word of these propagandists? It is disheartening to say the least.
only the u.s, govt could lose track of a bunch of weapons used to kill over 20,000+ mexican people. they may as well have given them to the khmer rouge. who trust the crime syndicate in washington?
Clinton's ban didn't go far enough, any band must be retro-active. We need to disarm the gun nuts and defang the gun lobby.
Ranger.....outstanding post with good questions.
i doubt we will ever know the truth of what happened the libs are making hay with this . sad part is there a bunch of sickos going to try and out do this guy. thats why we need cops or securtiey in the schools now .once they find out this is not a free kill zone they will look else where to be come net heroies
@ RANGER: For the first three days we were told that he was found with two pistols next to him, and that the AR was found in the back seat of his mom’s car
Thank you! For the first time someone has said what I've been saying all along. Someone got to the coroner a made up the stuff about everyone was shot by the AR.
The rifle (AR15) was left in the car and the children were killed with 223 rounds
so now we find out about the other two shooters, one arrested on the inside and
one arrested on the outside. Then today, we find out there were two shooters on
the outside. This is turning to be another govt. false flag deal. Killing kids just
to conficate firearms thats our wonderful WH, CIA and FBI. Our govt. is a sad
It doesn't matter if he used a five hundred round drum magazine or loaded each round into the chamber himself. The problem was not the size or capacity of the gun, the problem was that children were left unsecured. The police got there ten minutes late. The maniac could have used a machete for all we know and it wouldn't matter. The police got there too damn late. There's nothing that could have stopped him from killing 20+ defenseless souls. The school was dependent on the Government to protect them. The school waited for the police to arrive, while 26 souls were left defenseless. These innocent souls could have been protected, but they got slaughtered because we have allowed our nation to be duped by the stupid progressive policies in place today. The problem was not that the maniac had firearms, the problem was that our children were not adequately protected in school. They were left with zero resources to oppose any intruder intent on causing great harm. This is the fault of senseless progressive policies. This maniac could have been put away way before any of his vicious intentions built up to this atrocity, but the closet Marxist organization, the ACLU, fought for maniacs to roam the streets freely.
Yep Eni that will do it. Just like all those speeding signs stop all speeders. All those drug laws stop people from using drugs. Like prohibition stopped all the drinkers. Oh, that's right prohibition didn't work either did it. Just caused other more serious problems and had to be repealed. Liberals never seem to learn that you can't legislate morality.
You will NEVER, EVER get rid of guns especially in the US unless you can figure a way to un-invent them.
But remember Mexico and how strict their gun control laws are. Don't they have the violence problem solved?
This leftist jackass committed a crime and I want him prosecuted. You all know the rest of us wouldn't get away with it. Whoever else handled it where that law applies needs to be charged also. Why should I have to put up with that absolute idiot pushing for an infringement on the 2nd Amendment and at the same time not insist that he be prosecuted fully under the law?
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Fools! Murder is already illegal. Liberals have already banned high capacity magazines in their dens of stupidity and it has accomplished nothing. If you're too dumb to understand that criminals don't obey gun laws then your are too dumb for this conversation.
Hitler and Stalin were for gun bans as well...how'd that turn out?
All academic drivel. A person of mal intenent will have those 30 round magazines regardless of the laws. Arrest David Gregory using the clip as prima-facia evidence. Lock his a$$ up for a year then ask him about magazine restrictions.
If the citizens can't them, neither should the federal, state or local police. If the gun laws work, why do they need expanded magazines or military type assault weapons? They especially don not need fully automatic weapons.
@ Encinomoron..." We need to disarm the gun nuts"... define "gun nuts". Are the people who feel the need for protection of equal proportion to those who would do us harm nuts? Does that include your Marxist Messiah ObaMao, who is perpetually flanked by armed secret service agents. How about the millionaires in the entertainment industry who also have armed protection. Should the value of ones' life be measured by his ability to afford armed guards? Or should we ALL, regardless of income, be allowed the right granted us in the second amendment to protect ourselves our homes and our families from the criminals and our nation from the tyrants?
Loughner, Red Haired Joker & Adam Lanza had one thing in common. They were all considered crazy the mental health system did not work.
Even if the 1st 2 are not crazy enough before their rampages, they are consider acting crazy & spending life in a psychiatric unit preferable to hanging. Part of what is wrong is that we do not execute mass murderers caught red handed except with extreme difficulty. It took 10 or 15 years to execute Gacy and part of the reason was that he had a liberal fan club.
Your quote - "And that heroin never killed anybody either. What’s your point?"
Are you stupid? Actually, lot of folks have overdosed on heroin, or the addiction has killed them, or the needles they were using were HIV infected.
Our troops do not use heroine to protect the nation.
Our police do not use heroine to protect the local population
Home owners do not use heroine to protect their house
The founding fathers did not recognize our right to heroine, but did recognize our right to arm ourselves.
Any more stupid questions?
I looked up drug overdose deaths from Heroin & cocaine at the CDC site. About 2,000 for heroin & 5,000 for cocaine. Until 2006 Cocaine had been trending up. Heroine is flat.
Then there is this.
"Patrick K. O'Neil, who has been coroner since 1992, remembered overdose deaths being rare early in his career and growing steadily since 1999, before which more than one heroin-related death annually was unusual. Now, heroin overdoses are the second most common cause of accidental death in the area, preceded only by traffic accidents."
I found dissenting (?) information so to speak, which I have some problems with its' logic.
Plus addicts have been known to engage in burglary & that can escalate.
ENCINOM calls folks that arm themselves "gun nuts"
do you think he realizes that most cops, many Army folks, federal law enforcement....... are folks that have plenty of personal firearms? they not only carry their issued weapon, but they buy rifles, pistols, shotguns for sporting, hunting, competitions, and home protection.
What a moron he is.
they dont care for the truth....they are just using these arguments to disarm us so we are easier to control. and the average democrat has been fooled or brainwashed into believing everything they hear on the liberal news
So I take it Glenda = Wango = Pantloadin.
Wow, either someone likes to troll for trolling's sake or they are a sick, twisted freak.
You think we could ask the same questions of BHO?
EAT YOUR PEAS.
EndSeeNoMan---"..any band (sic) must be retro-active..."
"Clinton's (that's BJ not HR) ban didn't do enough..."
How many kids killed @ Columbine (Littleton CO) by Harris/Klebold?
Check out their "homemade" videos.
Schizophrenics can be high functioning.
Thanks for the laugh EndSeenNo!!!!
You're still here?
I thought you were moving to North Korea. Ask your Mom to buy you a ticket, already--or are you driving?
I think we should put a few facts on the table here.
- On the day of the Columbine shooting there were two police on duty at the school and one exchanged gunfire with the teenagers but he was outgunned. There was always at least one at the school. That didn't stop the carnage.
- Virginia State had University police on campus. That didn't stop the guy from committing the largest mass murder at a school by guns in American history.
- Jared Loughner kept killing people until he emptied his 31 bullet magazine. When he tried to put another magazine he was overpowered. Not before. If he'd had fewer bullets in his clip, he'd have killed and injured fewer people clearly. And there was a cop there, who never shot because he was was trained not to take a chance on killing innocent people.
As Gregory said that we can replace a 30 rounder for a 5 or 10 rounder to reduce the carnage. So 5 or 10 dead people are OK but 30 isn't? I don't understand. What a dumb-wad.
The Virginia Tech shooting is a completely different situation. Campus police, are just like city police. They enforce parking violations, speeding tickets, do investigations...... They do not have an armed policeman in everybuilding, and is much differnet than a policeman that works at a public high school, middle school, or elementary school.
The Columbine school shooting did have an armed policeman, and he did exchange fire with the two killers, he slowed them down, and when he pressured them, they soon after turned their guns on their selves. Had he not been there, most likely more people would have died/
Jared Loughner was not in a school, and like the other shooters, he was nuts.
While he did have a thirty one round magazine (not a clip), most gun experts will tell you that the extra long mags generally do not function well. A well trained shooter can change mags in just over a second. Standard mags function better, are easier to conceal, and he could have just as easily done the same damage with two standard mags.
You keep wanting to take the action of a couple of nuts and then throw away the Bill of Rights. The gov does not give us those rights, but is under oath to protect those rights.
You can not get away from the facts. Socialist always take away guns. Hitler (yes, he was a socialist), Stalin, Mao, Castro..... They have to have a disarmed population.
Blacks in America are 12.5% of the pop, and do half the murders. t
The MSM must be exposed.The MSM is responsible for every step made (with the help of the useful idiots) taking us down the liberal /Marxist road to total defeat. Think about the billons spent on the election that went to the MSM and the election handlers who took the money and lined their pockets and just lied about every aspect of the election. The MSM is more of an enemey of freedom than any terrorist group. The MSM is 100% responsible for getting Obama re-elected and they will continue to cover-up the truth on every front. We must develop a plan to fight the liars and get the truth out - We cannot change the narrative without a responsibe & honest press / media.
If we want to stop the lies; stop Obama; stop the Democrats - We must expose the MSM and 'connect the dots' on these people.
Every thirteen seconds, an American stops a crime with a legally owned firearm.
This year there have been 7230221 criminal attacks stopped by good people with guns/
I am 44 years old, and on five seperate occasions, me and my wife have stopped or prevented crimes with our own personal firearms.
Keep it real meat ball.
@youshouldgotopluto What's the point of your babbling? Are you suggesting those police officers shouldn't be there? Are you saying their presence didn't make a bit of difference? Any resistance is better than no resistance. I know liberals would rather kneel and live like slaves instead of having to stand on their two own feet and fight for their freedom, but can you idiots at least make some logical sense and show some kind of willingness to go beyond the call of duty when it involves protecting the lives of school children?
Are you suggesting that having no police officers present, or any formidable opposition, is better than having at least some resistance present and a chance to fight back? La Pierre doesn't represent the majority of gun owners. From what I can observe, most Conservatives and gun owners would rather we allow local school districts to decide their own security policies, some of which may include allowing certified, train, and licensed school staff members to carry concealed in the case of such emergencies only. But what we can not allow is for there to be no security measures in place. Please prove to me, by facts, that incidents like these, wherein no formidable opposition was present, outcomes are less deadly and severe. Are you willing to demand that courts, state capitols, banks, large events, celebrities, wealthy citizens, mayors, politicians, private schools, dance clubs, and airports forego the use of armed guards?
Americans using guns to stop crimes
Most Gun Violence Crime are Black People Killing other Black People.
If the Socialist want to ban high capacity Magazines and believe it will stop the carnage.
Then it only stands to reason that we should ban Black people.Well not ban them completely Just the one over Four foot tall. Soon the NFL would all be midgets.
After all they are doing most of the shooting. This I just as stupid as blaming the weapon what ever it my be, as the perpetrator not the person bent on violence while using it..Then Ban Fat People because drink 16 oz Sodas.Hell soon we could ban each other. We surrey can find some thing wrong with anyone.
And if education is the answer to all the worlds ills then why is it that it is schools or student aged children that are doing most of the carnage in Chicago (Gun Free Zone), D.C. (extremely Gun Free Zone). And why is common sense not required to graduate to a College? Is that so the Liberal Revolutionary Teachers like William Ayres and those he organizes feel its harder to indoctrinate children with the ideas of HATE when they are high on drugs like pot and Heroin.
When a Hannity walked across the Mexican border on TV, there were serious calls by the left to prosecute him. How is this guy above the law?
Since we're laying facts on the table:
Cho, the VA Tech shooter, was inspired by Columbine, carrying out his attack on it's anniversary. Prior to the attack, he was adjudicated as mentally ill, yet was still able to purchase firearms thanks to the ACLU.
Months prior to the Sandy Hook massacre, the ACLU gloated over the defeat of a CT mental health bill.
You wanna talk magazine capacity when an evil organization like the ACLU is fighting to keep these psychopaths secret under the veil of privacy rights?
What's worse: One psycho with a 30 round magazine or three psychos each with a ten round magazine?
We MUST be able to commit those who are a threat to themselves and others so they can get the treatment they need or these mass killings will continue.
WE MUST DEFEAT THE ACLU!
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR Arms, shall not be infringed." 2nd amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
Lets be very clear. The second amendment has NOTHING to do with shooting animals for hunting. It has NOTHING to do with shooting robbers and rapists. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to simply enumerate the God Given rights I have to protect myself (shoot) from would be tyrants. It is either through ignorance, naivety, or ulterior motives to argue otherwise. So yes, I just may NEED that thirty round magazine to do so, though I pray I never will.
As for those of you who think I am paranoid or eccentric, you either have a pale understanding of history or you care not for liberty.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” Samuel Adams
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
Is that really a 30 bullet magazine?
It is much shorter than the 17 magazine I use, and mine is for the fun cheap, but very small 22LR rounds.
Only changes in gun laws that should be made
The laws that would make difference would
be in the area media fraud (aka NBC..etc) as in
Oh, so that heroin, those needles, they all just jumped into those people's arms all on their own. Good, I didn't know heroin was a mindful being with a will of its own. I thought it was an inanimate object, like a gun, possessing no evil of intent but only consequence of use. My mistake. I shall have to name this small bundle in my wallet . . . I have it . . . Wally!
WALKABOUT . . . Yeah, yeah, I see you already. be patient. Quit being so needy. I'll get around to you in due time.
Arrest him. Everyone wants enforcement, make him number one.
A retroactive ban, eh? Thanks for volunteering to take point on the first ATF confiscation team to go into a heavily armed citizen's house!
Children? Democrats are worried about ... children? Pro-abortion Democrats? Worried about children?
On that day in Connecticut, a poultry xx children were murdered by a psycho-teen with a gun. On that same day, 3,288 babies were murdered (national average) by State licensed "doctors" with scalpels and dilators and suction probes. Which is the more heinous crime? WHICH IS EVEN A CRIME?!?
No, it's not about murder or children. It's about Progressives(communists) tyrants in government (from the top down & in every department in between) using any excuse to disarm the American populous for the final take-down. Saddle up, Patriots.
How about demanding that David Gregory be charged with violating D.C. law? Let him find out exactly how ridiculous the anti-gun laws are. Let him go through the trouble of being interviewed by the police and prosecuters as well as hiring a lawyer to try and spin the facts. Let him understand the financial burden placed upon him. His head will spin and he will finally realise just how riduculous it is to assume that the empty piece of metal and plastic he held up on national television possed absolutely no threat to anyone whatsoever. I'll be all his cronies will be espousing the stupidity in trying to prosecute Mr. Gregory. Then it will hit them that their stupid anti-gun laws are ...stupid!
I bet he got permission from the far left liberal Washington DC elitest city administration. Any excuse for the libtards to try to make a point.
Cities with the strictest gun laws, Chicago, New York, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Detroit - - and the list goes on - - have the highest per capita murder rates anywhere in the country. Why? Because the bad guys KNOW that the average law abiding citizen cannot protect himself so they are free to commit crimes at will. This liberal clap-trap about gun control is just wasted airtime. Licensed, open carry citizens is the answer.
Glennda - so you really are that dumb to compare heroine to firearms.
The Bill of Rights does not guarantee our right to heroine
Guns can be used for evil, but then again, so can the kitchen knife, the golf club, the baseball bat, the automobile....
Guns can be used for positive. 4H shooting clubs, Olympic shooting competitions, trap and skeet, hunting, IDPA, police use, military use, heck- the Secret Service use guns to protect the president and his family.
Do you wish to take guns away from those that protect the president? If his little girls get armed men to guard them, do my little girls not deserve the same?
Heroine has no positive uses. It is a non legal narcotic.
Grow up, and go take a class on logic, critical thinking, and perhaps learn how to debate before you come hang out with adults and make a fool of yourself again,
Nobody ever mentions this but the '94 ban didn't prevent the worst shootout in American history either - the North Hollywood B of A robbery where 2 guys with fully auto AKs shot thousands of rounds. I don't believe they killed anyone but they injured a whole bunch.
Mags made post '94 are the only ones that were banned under the '94 law. Gregory (or any of us) could have gotten a 'pre-ban' mag and not be in violation. I live in NY where the AWB is still in effect and pre-ban mags are not out of the ordinary. I don't have any but we see them at the range all the time.
It's amazing how people so educated can be so dense. They dont want crazy people or criminals locked up, but when responsible people buy weapons to defend themselves they say we are making it to easy for crazy people and criminals to steal guns and commit crimes.
good answer. The loon that shot up the theater in Colorado used a Rem 870 to do most of his damage. A shotgun holds 5 rounds with the magazine plug removed. He also had an M&P 15. He killed or shot 71 people, therefore he reloaded at least a couple of times. proves the point, that it only takes a sec to reload. Cops were there in 90 seconds, 71 people dead or injured....
Everyone should stop blaming the instrument: Firearm, Box Cutter (9/11), Airplanes (9/11), Automobiles (36,783 deaths last year), ..., etc.
We should blame and start to look at the contributors that desensitize, and/or remove or lower inhibitions: Alcohol, Drugs, Hollywood, Violent Video Games, Music Genre, and Mental Illness.
The instrument has never jumped up off the table by itself to cause harm, nor has the instrument started all by itself to cause harm.
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
Where did he get that clip? DC law enforcement need to answer this question ASAP.
RANGERSKIMPY . . .You said, " . . . that thirty round magazine made of steel, plastic and a spring did not kill anyone." Your "argument" is that the device is not inherently evil. It is incapable of inflicting any harm on anyone unless there is a human force behind it. The same is true for heroin.
Ah, but guns have the potential to be used for good. If that is your argument, then what to do about coffee? cigarettes? Since their use has no capacity for improving the human condition, should they be illegal. Let me guess - they fall under the right to "the pursuit of happiness." Now we're back to heroin. What about cocaine? It is used by health professionals in pain management. It's legal, but it's also illegal.
Your problem, Ranger Skimpy, is that you want so badly to be right about guns that you're willing to abandon logic and bastardize every other issue around it to sustain your personal fascinations. Here, I'll show you . . ."The NRA has never shot anyone." News flash! Neither has rap music. If you want to argue with the adults, then man up. Think and talk the truth. It'll set you free!
Jared Loughner freaked out people at the local community college so much so that they strategically chose to sit next to the door. That is highly abnormal.
What do people normally do in class. they figure out who they are going to sit next to, to be able to gossip, to be their study partner, or to see the board. For your average every day person to think of security in a community college is so beyond the norm.
The point is that he should have been evaluated at that time.
There were campus police at Virginia Tech. Send Meteors TELLS US. Yay, Meteors loves us,Yes Meteors loves us. She tells us so.
Really Meteors? There were cops at Virginia Tech? Are you sssshhuuuure? It is not like we don;t know that there are campus police as universities & colleges.
If Send the Meteors really wanted to be helpful, he, she, it would tell us how many cops there were. The total number. How many are on each shift. How many have desk jobs. How many are away on training & vacation. So how many cops were there really at Virginia Tech on duty that day?
Universities have anywhere form 20,000 to 40,000 students. How do the # of cops at Virginia tech compare to other towns & universities of similar size? 20K to 40K is a small city.
Are the cops there fully trained? I kind of doubt security at a community college has the training & credentials to have the authority to put a psych hold on a student.
@Glenda - you are talking instruments and Contributing factors as if they are one.
please tell me the last time a loaded firearm sitting on a table has jumped up and killed someone?
We do know that Contributing Factors have lead to violence by desensitizing and/or reducing inhibitions. Alcohol, Drugs, Hollywood, Music Genre, Violent Video Games, Religion, and Mental Illness are all contributing factors.
3000 people where murdered in 9/11 by people who used Box Cutters and Airplanes (instruments) to carry out this senseless act of violence. Yet, I see no ban on box cutters or airplanes. 353 murders where committed last year with a Rifle (FBI UCR 2011), 1668 murder with knives, 787 murders with Hands and Feet. Do we ban Hands and Feet or do we go after the contributing Factors. 36, 863 people were killed in automobile accidents last year. Yet, we still can buy cars.
UK Home Office reported for 2011 that there was 11,749 crimes committed with Firearms in the UK and Whales. How do you think gun control is working there?
Yes lets focus in on community college security. Is the security at a community college the Walmart type or fully trained Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) that people feel comfortable to approach & & confident that they have the authority to act?
If a person is saying bizarre things & talking"word soup" & you have multiple witnesses & people feel the need to figure out their escape plan in case a classmate pops offs, are the LEOs at a community college authorized to put a psych hold on them. Or are these rent a cops?
I bet you have a high number of psych cases going into college than have it figured out where they are going to work after high school. They are away from home at least part of the time. It they have poor social skills college will be where they start spiraling faster down hill. In a number of classes it really helps to work cooperatively to pass. Yes some psychiatric problems start soon in adolescence & become apparent no later than the 20s. You would see it in college. So I ask you how are community college LEOs or security trained?
I figure that Meteors has the time to look it up. Yes she said she was traveling for business last week. Was it for a liberal non-profit advocacy group. It would explain their ability & willingness to go to a site where everything she hears is anathema to her world view.
Either that or she has no significant other, is not paying them attention, or is cheating her employer of time.
Meteors was to focus on guns. She doesn't want to mention the shrine or whatever Loughner & friends had in their backyard or was it his parent's backyard. The one with the school & candles.
If Guns are the problem, then their should be no reason to take down the skull shrine & hide it. By hiding it, admits that you do not want to discuss it, because sooner or later you might ask if that is part of the problem.
I feel bad for Loughner's parents. But I believe that they were part of the problem. They had at least 33% input into what he became. I believe that Loughner's father put a lot of anti-social views into his head judging from his record.
Who puts up a skull shrine in their backyard?
TRIGUS . . . I didn't discuss "contributing factors" at all, so to suggest I conflated them - with anything - is simply wrong. But if you're gonna trot out Hollywood, you gotta trot out Clint Eastwood, too. That's the problem with "contributing factors" - they're level of evil is just a little too susceptible to personal interests.
Meteors has been continually posting this. So my recommendation is to learn it, Research it & then refute it. She puts out a partial list of facts. Typical. It is how you lie. It is why weak a person to"Give the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth". Encinom, Meteors & others typically violate the 2nd phrase. They don't give the WHOLE TRUTH. Have at them.
I think we should put a few facts on the table here.
- On the day of the Columbine shooting there were two police on duty at the school and one exchanged gunfire with the teenagers but he was outgunned. There was always at least one at the school. That didn’t stop the carnage.
- Virginia State had University police on campus. That didn’t stop the guy from committing the largest mass murder at a school by guns in American history.
- Jared Loughner kept killing people until he emptied his 31 bullet magazine. When he tried to put another magazine he was overpowered. Not before. If he’d had fewer bullets in his clip, he’d have killed and injured fewer people clearly. And there was a cop there, who never shot because he was was trained not to take a chance on killing innocent people.
WALKABOUT . . . Yeah, yeah, I see you already. be patient. Quit being so needy. I’ll get around to you in due time.
Wow that is that exact phrase the Wango & Pantloadin use to use. They are the same.
Got to change you post name because people will not listen to you because your demeanor & ideals suck. Must be hard to go through so many aliases.
Wango, you need help. Seek help from a psychiatrist or priest.
Also I provided stats to back up my arguments & links to back up the stats from reputable sites. You did not address those arguments. Your deflected. CUZ you got Nothing.
Tell you what. Christmas is tomorrow. Whether you are Christian or not Christian, it is important that you gather around the meal time & socialize. Breaking bread your fellows (not necessarily in any religious sense) is more important than how fancy the meal is.
Keep the discussion interesting but light. Keep it to hobbies & mundane things. Help out at the kitchen; learn your mothers or fathers recipes. See what they know about a computer that makes their life easier that you don't know. etc.
WANKALONG . . . Stats that show people die from abusing drugs? I didn't know that was up for debate. If you understood the questions, you might be able to offer an answer. Burt you're right, Merry Christmas. Let's all celebrate the birth of Jesus, which by most scholarly accounts happened in April. (Would you like a reputable link? Well don't you worry. It's all wrapped up in a little red box under your tree.)
"But if you’re gonna trot out Hollywood, you gotta trot out Clint Eastwood, too. "
No, not really. Clint portrays the good guy. Even when he portrays someone who doesn't want to be the good guy, he is the good guy.
It's like Sowell said, they're invincibly ignorant.
They have no clue what they're talking about; they refuse to learn from repeated recent history; and when we bite our tongues and attempt to teach them, they throw outrageous insults.
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
WANKABUNCH . . . "That’s the problem with “contributing factors” – their level of evil is just a little too susceptible to personal interests."
Thanks for proving my point. But take solace . . . "We all got it comin', kid." Translation: There are no good guys.
He brings an ILLEGAL magazine on the air to say that it should be ILLEGAL, and we would all be safer. hmmm.
I've never really liked David Gregory, but after his reaming out Wayne LaPierre on TV for everyone to see what a jerko Gregory is, I've made a note to never, never watch anything on TV this man is on.
Maybe sounds silly, but these show-biz types, and others, have been on my list of those I avoid at all costs for years and I live by what I believe. No movies, no TV programs with those who are so ignorant I can't let their idiocy affect my thinking, so I avoid them completely.
So often, they spout off about things they don't want us to do, but they do themselves. We can't have a legal gun, but by dam, they can, or they hire people to protect them......'scuse me, you idiots.
They want to disarm the American citizens so they ( The Government) can assume compete control of the citizens and their lives ! The Government no longer represents it's citizens and has therefore outlived it's usefulness !
The founding fathers saw gun ownership as a right that already belonged to the people, and that is is the duty of the government to protect that right.
Daily, law abiding citizens stop crimes using guns. Daily, police use firearms to stop crimes. Daily, our military usees guns to stop evil.
We use guns to hunt, we use them for sport (to inclue the Olympics), and we protect the President with them.
Non legal drugs to not benefit anyone.
We can shot that gangster rap, violent video games, violent moves.... play a part in the violence in our society.
Not one of the mass murders have ever been tied to the NRA, 4H shooting programs, CMP.... All of the recent ones have been heavinly tied to violent vidoe games, the Goth stuff, and violent movies.
Once again, Kevin Jennings was Obama's pick for safe school czar. His claim to fame was teaching homosexuality to school age children. He did nothing to keep our schools safe, but the MSM will not mention his name (neither will you), but you try to go after the NRA.
Socialist nations in the past always take away guns. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, castro.... all take away the guns, then they murdered millions of their own people.
The Rifle is what seperates the surf from the citizen.
So if I give up my rifle, is Obama going to give up his armed security?
If his daughtes deserve amred security, do mine not deserve the same?
Tell us about black on black violence?
Why is the liberal MSM so quiet on the subject?
Blacks are 12.5% of the population, but do half the nation’s murders. If we lower their murder rate to the same as whites, we will lower the nation’s murder rate by almost 40%
We in America lead the world in gun ownership. For every 100 people, we have 88 guns. There are 25 nations in the world with higher murder rates than us (including Russia, were it is very difficult to get a gun).
Honduras has 6.6 guns per 100 people but they have the highest murder rate in the world.
Lower guns in the hands of citizens does not lower murder rates, but it does increase the likelihood that the corrupt government will kill its own citizens
The Swiss have one of the lowest murder rates in the world, and they have an "assault rifle" in every house.
Okay as a conservative I must protest this blame video games and music crap coming from conservatives. Me and a ton of my friends are avid gamers and none of us have the slightest inkling to go on a shooting rampage. Blame who is responsible crazy people. You could also make an argument for the moral degradation of our society. But do not blame video games. It makes you look stupid.
When are we going to end the mainstream media's hold on the Democrat liberal ignorati? The media used to report the news after it happened, but not they create the events in their effort to increase their ratings and hold on the government. I quit watching the mainstream media news after the election because as long as they are able to ignore the law and can exert their influence on what happens, elections in this country are a joke. This last election was rigged but the losing party is too timid to fight it. It is statistically impossible to achieve a 100% vote for one candidate in any secret ballot election and yet the Democrats achieved that in Philadelphia which is why they won Pennsylvania, as well as 200 or so other counties and or precincts. The only people that can correct this travesty is the U.S. Supreme Court. The other big lie is that photo ID being required to vote is voter suppression. Does anybody other than Michele Obama really believe that? We have trivialized federal voting to the point that it is a joke. The media and the liberal ignorati are pushing gun control laws as the panacea to end all violent crime in spite of the fact that this shooter broke 41 laws in the course of his crime, including killing his own mother to take her guns. The mall shooting in Oregon was stopped by a concealed weapon permit holder who drew down on the shooter limiting the deaths to two. Was that reported on the media? No, because it was against their anti-gun agend
If David is in possession of an illegal fire arm clip then yes.Where did he get that clip? From a friend "like he has some" or maybe it is his! David's AR you think? Burn his Ass. He's so special!
Leave it to Pantloader Glennda to conflate drugs with guns. DUH. Time to ditch that diaper, Glennda, the ammonia is affecting your brain.
I shoot in several different types of action matches both handgun and semi-auto rifle. I use high cap mags to get down range quickly to keep from having to reload more often. Those I shoot with as I believe in the 2nd ammendment and would never use a gun to commit a crime. We are the good guys who enjoy fellowship and sportsmanship doing something we love. But with that said it looks like the liberal element in this country is going to try and make us the American lawful gunowner out to be the bad guys. When inreality they are the bad guys for lying and saying the samething over and over again so those with the frigial egg shell minds will line up for more koolaid and little red pills and pray at the alter of big government and Obama's big plan for American in name only. Fear for your Country Fear for whats to come.
These massacres always take place in "gun-free zones." What do we have to do to convince Shumer, Boxer, and Feinstein that criminals don't obey signs?
History shows, if you give them an inch they'll take a mile...never give an inch! And Glennda are you on the wrong page?
Boy, what a missed opportunity for Mr. LaPierre..."Well, Davic, there's a ban on that magazine here in D.C. and yet here you sit with one. Very effective legislation wouldn't you say David?" Agree with all the comments about this having no effect, reload in a second or two provides no better outcome these horrible situations. Is he actually saying that it's great that we could only have 10 dead?? That's somehow acceptable?
Also, Rangerskippy brings up a point I've been wondering about. It's true the initial reports said the suspect was found with two pistols and that that a rifle and shotgun were found in the car he drove. I know early reports can be jumbled, but I don't see how such a mistaken report could happen. I wonder if the school has CCTV? Will we be able to have verification of what was found at the scene?
No amount of legislation will reduce crime. If it did, we should be absolutely crime free.
@Ranger. Loved your comment. You saved me a lot of typing because I have had the same questions as well. These people are insane. Criminals do not care about others and a law on a piece of paper does not deter them from their crimes. When are people going to wake up? But then again, they ARE the same people who re-elected Obama, so need I say more........
David Gregory not only looks like an idiot he is an idiot!
That's what they want, to wear us out! QUIT TALKING TO THEM!!! THEIR MINDS ARE TOO WEAK TO HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION!!!!!!!!!! Guns have been around for hundreds of years. Suddenly they are shooting people by themselves! That means you have to pass a law that the gun can hear, understand, and obey. WHAT? If liberals ask another question about gun control, they should be told “Yes, I believe in gun control. Teach everyone in America how to aim, then issue them a gun like they do in Switzerland”! Seriously. Anyone that thinks more laws will stem gun violence, has issues. They are too immature to talk about the subject, or their ability to look at the data and propose rational solutions, indicates they should immediately put themselves on the ‘DO NOT SELL TO’ list! They believe these things because it is true in their life. I bet if you put them in a room with a gun, they would figure out a way to shoot themselves and blame the gun, the bullets being inside the gun, and the person that put the bullets in the gun!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone that continues to sit at a table and discuss guns with these people, is a bigger fool than they are! You are discussing, “How to stop evil murderers from killing others” with a 4-year-old!!!!!!
So let me get this straight. Mr. Gregory shows the audience a magazine that he wants to ban, and gun-toters here on TheBlaze.com accuse him of violating....gun laws?
You people sure are pathetically desperate.