Or maybe you are so ignorant that you can’t see truth? There is no way that God would inspire anyone to vote for either of these people .They are both criminals and 100% godless.
 July 21, 2016 at 8:52am
All of us never trumpers need to vote for the same person, even if they don’t win. It will make a statement to the rest of the country. We can’t have some people sitting home, some voting libertarian and some writing in Trump. We need to pick someone that we can all agree on and vote. DON”T STAY HOME.
July 17, 2016 at 5:15am
Inclusion is good sometimes. Should we make child molesters feel included in an elementary school setting?
[-1] July 17, 2016 at 5:13am
That’s just stupid, We know there are mistranslations.
The doctrine of inerrancy has nothing to do with translation, only with manuscript.
 July 17, 2016 at 5:12am
Again Blink, you are an idiot. Pale rider didn’t say anything hateful. I think you really need to learn the definition of words. There’s this thing called a dictionary, you might try using it because I use it all the time and most people are using words that mean something different than the true meaning.
[-4] July 17, 2016 at 5:08am
Jedi, you don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe try praying and asking God what he meant instead of just reading a book with lost of translation errors.
July 17, 2016 at 5:07am
And the list could go on. IF you are against murder? Rape? Freedom? These now are ALL phobias.
 July 17, 2016 at 5:05am
so people shouldn’t feel passionately AGAINST certain things? The LGBT community says “LOVE WINS” yet they are constantly looking to destroy, YES DESTROY, anything that doesn’t agree with them. Is THAT love?
 July 17, 2016 at 5:02am
You are such an idiot blink
July 17, 2016 at 5:02am
You have to remember there are lots of mistranslations also. Thou shalt not kill is really thou shalt not murder. It’s a completely different meaning. The problem is, you have to study the bible to understand it and you don’t want to study it, you want to attack it which means you will never understand it.
July 17, 2016 at 4:59am
Then you aren’t God fearing. You are world-embracing. everyone that is trying to be obedient to the Lord’s commandments needs to make a decision. Maybe the Methodist church just becomes the LGBT “Christian” church. Not sure what will happen.
 July 17, 2016 at 4:58am
Non denominational is like politically moderate, no one has the guts to put their foot down and make a decision and stand by it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. The Lord came down and taught specific things, he wasn’t vague and general. So doesn’t it seem to reason that there is a church out there that teachers HIS EXACT teachings? Either every christian church is wrong, or there is one that is His church. They can all/mostly be good, but all Christian churches can’t be right because we all differ in some way. So, what you need to do is figure out what Christ was teaching and pray and search for his church.
@niki - Jul. 17, 2016 at 4:58am:
I can't agree with your first six words niki ... "non-denominational" doesn't mean "anything goes." I've been a member of two non-denominational local churches, and the 2nd one was far more strict in theological beliefs, and requirements for anyone having any capacity of being a formal representative of the church than any other church I've experienced, till now.
But the other half of that line ("no one has the guts to put their foot down and make a decision and stand by it") applies more to the so-called "denominational churches", than it does to the independents. That's been my life experience, thus far . . . . . otherwise, I totally agree with the rest of your post.
It's an obvious, foregone conclusion that ALL churches are "wrong", because to say otherwise about any church would be equivalent to saying "they're PERFECT!"
But, some denominations, or 'independent local churches' are "less imperfect" (which is not necessarily the same as "a lesser evil") than others. The only way to resolve that is summed up perfectly in your last line.
I'm just reading the comments this morning and saw your post.
You disagree that "anything goes" but then gave two very divergent examples of places you've attended. This supports exactly what Niki said: "anything goes" with doctrine, they were very different, yet both call themselves nondenominational.
You may have a point about the independent churches versus those joined in a conference. Yet, for putting their feet down, they are doing so against the teaching of the Bible.
Nothing in the Bible suggests that a man can found his own church or doctrines and be right, as long as he stands by it. Nothing in the Bible suggests that if a person is a member of a larger church group and doesn't like the teaching, he can split off and start his own, or attend a new one. Nothing in the Bible suggests a man or woman can call him/herself into ministry, attend some seminary run and taught by other people who have no authority from God and because of a piece of paper saying Degree is then qualified to preach truth. The Bible does say which teachers we MUST listen to and by your own admission, you believe no pastor in the protestant world teaches truth. So who are these teachers Jesus said we MUST heed?
No "Perfect" Church? the Church Jesus founded is His "spotless" Bride. God protects her from error. If He can't do that, then what's the point? No truth can be known.
As a Catholic, I reject that heresy.
Jesus can be known, and He gave us The Church to help us. Praise Him!
“Among you there will be lying teachers who will bring in destructive sects . . . And many will follow their wanton conduct, and because of them the way of truth will be maligned.” - II Peter 2:1-2
That is why I left the United Methodist church back in 1989 and joined the Catholic church. My mom was the church organist in the UM church I was raised in. I was involved in youth and adult choirs and in handbell choirs. But I felt I was missing something intangible.
One clue was when I realized that "communion Sunday" was the least-attended church service of the month. Another was when I thought about the UM church law that alcohol was not to be consumed (thus grape juice at communion) but yet the ministers and staff regularly drank alcohol (wine) at staff parties outside of church. Very hypocritical. I didn't respect the leadership in the local church and felt I couldn't belong.
@LestWeForget – Jul. 18, 2016 at 10:38am:
You will have to elaborate, as to exactly how and in what way non-denominational local churches are in violation of the teachings of Christ.
They don’t reject recognition of the members of denominational or “other” churches as being part of the body of Christ.
I didn’t say, or even imply that “no pastor (clergy) in protestant (or Roman Catholic) world teaches the truth, I said “It’s an obvious, foregone conclusion that ALL churches are “wrong”, because to say otherwise about any church would be equivalent to saying ‘they’re PERFECT!’”
The word “wrong” in that statement wasn’t intended to mean or imply “no good for anything, whatsoever.” It was intended to mean ‘imperfect.’
I do agree with this short excerpt from your comment:
~ “Nothing in the Bible suggests a man or woman can call him/herself into ministry, attend some seminary run and taught by other people who have no authority from God and because of a piece of paper saying Degree is then qualified to preach truth.” ~
But I believe those words apply to the Roman Catholic Seminaries as much as they do to Protestant.
You are going to have to point out the scripture(s) that defines “which teachers we must listen to.”
I don’t believe the Roman Catholic Church, is “infallible”, but neither do I believe ANY single denomination or other local church body is.
“We know in part,” and I don’t believe the Vatican has sole custody of all of the ‘parts.’ (continues...)
But neither do I believe the Vatican is altogether devoid of any of the parts, either.
Jesus conferred upon the Apostles certain authority which they handed on to their successors, known as Bishops.
Jesus says "He who hears you [Apostles and therefore Bishops], hears Me. He who rejects you [Apostles and Bishops] rejects me and the one who sent me." (Paraphrasing Luke 10:16, please read it from the Bible text.)
to put it shorter, "people have to listen to you, and if they reject your teaching, they are rejecting God, because I (God) have given you teaching authority."
You can read Acts 15:6,24 and 16:4 to get a fuller picture of the importance of this teaching authority to authentic truth about the Gospel. In fact, much of Acts conveys the authority of those sent by Jesus whether directly or indirectly by the Apostles in Jerusalem. We see Paul instructing Timothy (Bishop), and we read the writings of the early Bishops (and deacons) of the Church and have a clear understanding that to be outside this authority is to be in heresy.
Against Heresies might be a good place to start - written by St. Iranaeus, Bishop of Lyons in the early 100s, using his Apostolic authority to condemn those who taught outside this authority but CLAIMED to be Christians teaching truth. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103.htm
In no Protestant sect does Apostolic authority and succession subsist. Not one. It is why they all deny Apostolic succession. It is why there can be no valid Masses, because without Bishops you cannot ordain priests and deacons.
to be continued.
You said: But I believe those words apply to the Roman Catholic Seminaries as much as they do to Protestant.
No, you are incorrect. Any Catholic can "attend" a seminary, same as any protestant. It's what happens after that matters. Protestants go get a job with a college transcript as their qualification, but only those called and sent can become Catholic deacons or priests, and the Church sends them after the successor of an Apostle ORDAINS them. The Sacrament of Holy Orders doesn't exist in the Protestant world (even though Anglicans would dispute this.)
Rom 10:15. Even Paul, made an Apostle by Jesus, ran his teaching by (presumably) Peter and other Apostles in Jerusalem Gal 2:1-2. God showed him that he needed to do this. Paul realized if his teaching was out of line with them, then he would have been preaching all this time "in vain," he says.
In other words, any preaching not in accord with the teaching of the teaching authority of the Church leaders, the Apostles, today's Bishops, may be in vain.
Jesus established ONE Church, visible and invisible. He bestowed HIS OWN authority upon very few, select men. You cannot claim this authority for yourself. Nor can I. Nor can the guy in the blue car at the stoplight. Nor can the guy (or girl) whose name is on the marquee at the corner man-made "church," even if he/she puts the word "pastor" in front of it. WE have no authority to define doctrine, to loose and bind it. We also have no authority to forgive sins.
you said: I don’t believe the Roman Catholic Church, is “infallible”, but neither do I believe ANY single denomination or other local church body is.
“We know in part,” and I don’t believe the Vatican has sole custody of all of the ‘parts.’
This is a position that no Christian can find tenable, if they stop to think about it.
Why? Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide His Church into ALL TRUTH. All.
This is what I believe, as a Catholic.
As a protestant, however, you believe the Holy Spirit leads us to confusion.
With PARTIAL truths and many versions of Truth.
You believe that if you don't like what you hear, you can leave and keep "searching" for the one pastor that teaches truth.
This is no good.
God would not make it so hard on us. We wouldn't know if it was our politics or emotions that were right, or the preaching. Or what if they were all wrong and sending us toward misery. If this were the case, again I ask, "what is the point!?" Why bother being a Christian if TRUTH, and FULLNESS of truth cannot be known? Because if we don't have access to ALL TRUTH then Jesus is a liar, and why follow Him?
This is the Protestant position, that no protestant realizes, until he enters the path of conversion to the Church, which is guided by the Holy Spirit.
Yes, some truths exist in Protestant sects! The same truths already exist in the Catholic Church where the fullness of truth subsists, and where we receive the Eucharist.
@LestWeForget - Jul. 19, 2016 at 10:17am ... and 10:36am ... and 10:45am:
It would appear to me that we have run have run smack into the issue known as "sola scriptura" . . . . . that's a disagreement for which I have no resolution.
Me: ... Sola Scriptura is the reality of the truth.
You: ... Is NOT.
Me: ... Is SO
You: ... Is NOT.
Me: ... Is SO
You: ... Is NOT.
Me: ... Is SO
You: ... Is NOT.
Me: ... Is SO
You: ... Is NOT.
(repeat, until the end of time) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
You are thinking like a protestant. As if the authority to settle doctrine is you versus me.
You: Sola Scriptura is True
Me: I just believe what the teaching Church with authority (about which we were talking) says, which is "it's a heresy" and illogical and self-refuting.
You: No it isn't.
Me: Don't look at me, it's not my opinion that can Loose and Bind doctrine.
You: But Sola Scriptura is correct!
Me: Says what authority?
You: The Bible.
Me: Which one?
You: The one Luther gave us.
Me: LOL. okay, using the excommunicated sinner's man-made version, which he devised with an authority OUTSIDE the bible that he granted unto himself, what verse or verses say the Bible is the ONLY AUTHORITY? I know, I know. The question self-implodes!
You: You're just wrong.
Me: I just humbly accept truth as passed down as Jesus says we HAVE to in Luke 10:16. I don't have a dog in this fight because my personal opinions count for nothing if the Successors of the Apostles and the holder of the Keys of the Kingdom have spoken on the issue.
You: Sola Scriptura is right.
Me: Not only does it violate the laws of logic, have no historical or Biblical basis, but as Luther (its inventor) himself found out, it leads to chaos and relativism. If He who is Truth is so hazy, if He who is the Way is so convoluted, if He who is the Life is so divisive, then like Jesus says, maybe you've rejected the REAL Jesus and the Father in exchange for a man-made version of Jesus.
@LestWeForget - Jul. 19, 2016 at 2:38pm:
Nooo ... I'm not claiming "the authority to settle doctrine" belongs to yourself, myself, nor anyone else on planet earth, today. I think we both agree it belongs to Heavenly Father, God.
I am claiming, however, that we've run up against all "wall-of-disagreement," for which there can be no resolution, right now.
I think we both agree:
~ "...that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." [II Peter 1:20-21] ~
But then we disagree over whose interpretation is closer to the truth, and why, how, and in what way it's closer to the truth.
As long as you believe that Jesus came "in-the-flesh", died for you personally and rose from the dead, and acknowledged those three (3) things before Jesus in prayer, then I believe you're born-again and in right standing with the Heavenly Father, God.
In other words, "saved."
All other disagreements can be straightened out later, when we're all together with the LORD.
“the authority to settle doctrine” belongs to yourself, myself, nor anyone else on planet earth, today. I think we both agree it belongs to Heavenly Father, God.
No, we don't.
But again, it's not what "I" think that matters. It's what this Church founded by Jesus has taught for 2000 years almost.
The Bible clearly states that the Keys of the Kingdom were given to Rock (Peter) Matt 16:18, who in turn, passed on this authority to the next Bishop of Rome.
With these keys comes the authority to Loose and Bind.
Refer to Isa 22 to understand how clear this was to Rock (Peter) when Jesus said this to him. In Isa the King leaves a Prime Minister in charge, with the keys and sash of authority. "what he opens, no one will shut. what he shuts, no one will open."
So while Jesus (the King) is in heaven, He entrusted the Pope with this authority to loose/bind doctrine.
We even see this in Scriptures. In Acts 15 the question of Circumcision arose.
Even you must acknowledge the error of your claim that no disputes can be settled but by God in Heaven, since at the Council of Jerusalem, the matter of Circumcision was SETTLED and became DOCTRINE.
Your error is further evident as we continue through Scripture and see the warnings against FALSE TEACHERS and HERESIES.
1) How could false teachers/heresies have been a problem at all, though, if you are right and truth couldn't be known and Disputes had to remain unsettled?
2) Why did Apostles and their successor Bishops fight heresies, if disputes were nothing to worry about?
3) Why did the Corinthians write to Pope Clement to settle a dispute in the 1st Century? Wouldn't they have known the dispute would just have to remain a question mark until they all died?
"wall of disagreement" for which there can be no resolution, right now.
No, again you think like a Protestant. There can be resolution, but we have to receive the Truth, not insist upon our own. Again, this is not my personal opinion, which counts for nothing. And yes, we do agree with ii Peter 1:20-21. In fact!
You say: we disagree over whose interpretation is closer to the truth, and why, how, and in what way.
Response: No. Please understand, once again, it is not MY interpretation. I would never claim that authority for myself, and nor should you, but Luther told you to. Who was he but a disturbed scrupulous bitter man, yet you have given him authority over your very soul.
But are you even Lutheran?
You: As long as you believe that Jesus came “in-the-flesh”, died for you personally and rose from the dead, and acknowledged those three (3) things before Jesus in prayer, then I believe you’re born-again and in right standing with the Heavenly Father, God.
In other words, “saved.”
Response: That is your opinion. Based on a novel, unBiblical, man-made doctrine (binding and loosing without Divine permission) from modern times.
Again, I don't disagree with you. You disagree with the Church founded by Jesus and 2000 years of uninterrupted, authoritative teaching. Not only did Jesus say to preach repentance and forgiveness ALONG WITH Baptism, but the Church has taught ALWAYS that water Baptism was how a person is born-again.
There are answers in this lifetime.
When Jesus promised the Paraclete to guide the Bishops into ALL Truth, it is in this way that they define doctrine. They are led by the Holy Spirit. This is how Jesus protects His Bride. When they declared the canon of scripture in the 4th Century, the Bishops at the council said "it seems good to the Holy Spirit, and to us..."
This is still how they exercise Magisterial authority - with submission to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus loves us and within the Catholic Church, none of us is tossed to and fro by the ever-changing doctrine of men (heresies).
It is not because the Apostles and their successors are, in and of themselves, so great that they cannot err. It is because GOD is so great that they cannot err when they exercise ex cathedra and magisterial authority.
Is God not powerful enough to achieve this?
Finally, on my question of whether or not you are Lutheran? I do not think you are, yet you fully embrace his invention of a 66 Book Bible and his invention of Faith Alone, and his invention of Sola Scriptura, and more. You give all this weight to the ideas of ONE man. So if he alone could save Christianity from 1500 years of erroneous teaching by the Church Catholic, then shouldn't all protestants be Lutheran? Lutherans are the only consistent protestants because all others claim Luther could authoritatively remove books from the Bible, etc, but was wrong on other things. Illogical, isn't it?
@LestWeForget - Jul. 20, 2016 at 9:22am:
~ "The Bible clearly states that the Keys of the Kingdom were given to Rock (Peter) Matt 16:18, who in turn, passed on this authority to the next Bishop of Rome." ~
As a "Protestant" (or 'something'), I have never believed that Jesus was telling Peter that; "You are the 'rock' (foundation) upon which I will build my church", in Matt 16:18
Rather, I believe He told Peter that he was blessed because he had received a revelation, and that Peter had become more solidly 'grounded' in his faith and conviction on account of it ... and went on to say that it was this "rock" of 'revealed knowledge' that the Church was to be built upon.
That is the kind of interpretation taught by those who act against the Church in favor of their own opinions (including false teachings). I know it sounds tough, but think about it: Anyone who is interested in denouncing the authority of the Church in order to create his own following would just have to twist the clear meaning of Mt 16:18 and make it general and intangible, applicable to himself.
If someone who claimed Rock Solid Faith wanted his followers to commit mass suicide, he could claim the interpretation of Matt 16:18 that you do, and say HE holds the keys to insist this is true teaching.
Here is where the logic of that faulty interpretation leads: If it is rock solid faith that caused Jesus to give Peter the Keys of the Kingdom, then how many sets of keys are there? If many, then, again, "what is the point!?"
Obviously there are many who have rock solid faith. Do they ALL possess the keys? Do they ALL possess the authority to loose and bind sins and doctrine?
Does that even make sense? How could Luther bind doctrine that baptism is regenerative and a Sacrament, but John Smyth (sp) bind doctrine that baptism is merely symbolic and not necessary for salvation?
Both claimed "rock solid faith" and therefore both would have to say they, too, had the Keys. How can that be when one's doctrine perfectly contradicts the other one's?
Do you have this authority?
It's ultimately not possible to interpret Mt 16:18 your way AND believe Jesus is knowable.
 July 17, 2016 at 4:54am
I am so tired of ignorant people like yourself. So, basically, by your own definition, YOU are a bigot Rhesus since you are so closed minded and hostile to christians. See how that works? You are condemned by your own actions. Good luck.
But it’s so trendy to despise and revile Christians these days, while saying nothing about the planet-wide barbarism of Islam. Brave stance, that.
 July 17, 2016 at 4:53am
@Misty. You are right there are not thousands of versions of christianity, i”m thinking there are probably 10s of thousands, maybe 100s of thousands because let’s be honest, every time a church or person has a different view from God’s view, it’s THEIR version.
 July 17, 2016 at 4:51am
Once again, not looking to ask God his will and change to be like HIM, but trying to change God and the church over to be more imperfect and sinful like themselves and the world. God is the only perfect thing FreedomLover so if we go against God’s will, call it bigotry if you want but since God is always perfect I’m sticking with God.
 July 17, 2016 at 4:49am
If they BOTH feel like they are receiving confirmation from the spirit, I’m thinking maybe one side or both sides has never felt the spirit.
 July 15, 2016 at 3:46am
You know, I”m actually in the middle of applying for jobs. I think I may do this, at least to the jobs I know I don’t really care about or have zero chance of getting.
July 13, 2016 at 8:04am
It’s funny how you said that FDraiden doesn’t know what he is talking about because it seems you are the one that doesn’t know what you are are talking about. You start talking about BLM is a racist hate group and blah blah blah. FDRaiden wasn’t talking about anything like you. You brought it out of your butt. You’re entire post has nothing to do with what he/she said. Maybe you need to read before you post.
 July 9, 2016 at 8:10pm
no, and there never will be. religion is between you and god, its about changing yourself willingly into something better, more perfect. If you choose to lie to take communion, that is on you.