**”“Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.” – Frank Zappa”**
Without deviation from the norm, regression and decay are not possible– Tin Soldier
Not all change is good or “progress” in a good sense.
Saw Zappa once. A little edgy for me as you might imagine, but a pretty impressive musician.
August 25, 2016 at 3:52pm
**”Those I know personally who REASONABLY AND RESPONSIBLY deal / live with issues like this acknowledge such – So… ???”**
So, those you personally know are hopefully and presumably helping to build bridges rather than throwing bombs or demanding that the world condone, accept promote the idea that someone is a _________ because the person believes it to be true. Fill in the blank with a few different things, and you’ll see where I’m going. Again, I know you probably believe that gender identity is a special case, and I respect your right to believe that.
**”For those who I know personally who deal / live with these challenges…
These are not (mental) delusions. They are as REAL to them as a belief in a god is to many. (And many believe in both)”**
They are real to them, even though they don’t match physical facts. That is arguably the essence of a delusion. Once more, I respect your belief that gender identity is somehow a special case, but don’t share it. I do believe in God, and I understand that many may see that as my own delusion. However, while the government will (hopefully) prevent others from persecuting me for that belief, it won’t force them to accept, etc., my belief.
Bottom line: what chaps people is having the government and interest groups demand that they accept what they believe to be untrue as if it were true–or that their is no objective truth, which is its own big topic. Got to go. Thanks for the discussion.
August 25, 2016 at 3:26pm
**”Well maybe if more people sincerely TRIED to imagine AND UNDERSTAND…
(Note: Understanding does not equate to ‘accepting’ / condoning / promoting / etc.)”**
Agreed, which will be facilitated when they don’t feel like accepting, condoning and promoting are being forced on them, often through government coercion. Unfortunately, understanding and sympathy are not enough for some who seem unwilling to accept anything less than celebration.
**‘Society’ accommodates (and does not accommodate) EVERY day in many, MANY ways and does so from one end of the spectrum to the other.**
True. I’m afraid I just don’t understand what you are asking me to clarify here.
What of the ‘mental facts’?
Are they not just as important?
What is considered ‘normal thinking’ often seems anything but normal. (At least to some)”**
Agreed there are physical and mental facts (i.e., if someone honestly believes something, it is a fact that they believe it). However, I think most people would agree that “normal” thought is thought that matches physical facts. For example, it may be a mental fact that I believe I am fish, but most will consider that abnormal and that belief may result in bad consequences for me if I act on it. I know that you opinion is probably that gender identity should be thought about in a completely different way, but I think we will just have to disagree on that.
 August 24, 2016 at 7:14pm
Agreed, and I appreciate your passion and like your posts. I think the school board’s imposition of transgender bunking is wrong morally and is not in anyone’s interest, including the trans-gendered students. Heavy handed government-imposed unilateral accommodation is unacceptable. Also, their failing to notify parents on privacy grounds is inexcusable. Light needs to shine brightly on the whole situation and all parties need to be brutally honest with themselves and each other. The truth will make us free.
 August 24, 2016 at 4:46pm
A person’s belief that they are the sex they are not does qualify as both a deviance (as in a deviance from the norm), and as a delusion (believing something that is not true). I don’t believe either should be normalized, reinforced, or enabled–and I don’t think I said that. I also don’t think the rest of society needs to pretend the delusion is anything but that. But, regardless of the nature of a delusion, the person dealing with it perceives it as real (that’s what a delusion is) and suffering can result for the person and their loved ones. That much is not a delusion. If society loses track of what is delusion and what isn’t or turns things upside down to accommodate a delusion, then you are right–it is sick. If society loses compassion for those who suffer, whether from delusions or other ailments, it is also sick.
 August 24, 2016 at 3:43pm
Although I usually disagree with you, I appreciate your thoughtful comments on this. I can’t begin to imagine the difficulty of the road faced by those who honestly have these feelings and by their families. Those of us without those challenges should take care not to be dismissive of the pain involved and should certainly avoid cruelty.
At the same time, I don’t believe the answer to how society accommodates these individuals should be rooted in dismissing the importance of objective physical facts. Just as we shouldn’t dismiss a person’s honest feelings that their physical sex does not match their self-perceived sex, we also should not dismiss the observable fact that such feelings are, in fact, a “mismatch” (“I feel like a girl in a boy’s body”) and are the exception. When those of us who do not face the challenges of a mismatch can accept that the feelings of those who believe they are mismatched are real to them, AND when those feeling a mismatch (and those who love them) can respect that accommodation is not a one-way concept that should work only in their favor, especially when–not to be harsh–they are the exception, we will be on the path to reason and resolution.
 August 24, 2016 at 1:33pm
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. “Reality control,” they called it: in Newspeak, “doublethink.”” Orwell
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August 20, 2016 at 12:31am
Fallwell Jr. is Gone Pyle…
 July 29, 2016 at 9:16am
i didnt hear a word about any wall from Trump’s lips during the entire rnc convention and only saw kind of a weak nod from him when the crowd chanted ‘build that wall.’ I think that is only one example of many disappointments to come for his supporters.
 July 20, 2016 at 2:49pm
Stupid to copy Michelle Obama’s words. Stupid to make a big deal of it. Everyone happy?
No, but trump declining the nomination would go a long ways for me.
 July 20, 2016 at 12:55pm
Yeah. Guy was acting in a weird provocative manner. I wouldn’t do that, would you? Why?
 July 8, 2016 at 8:18pm
Sounds like she learned her lesson…I sure feel better now…
June 30, 2016 at 4:38pm
Carly on the ticket would be a nod to sanity, but I can’t see Trump offering or her accepting after the nastiness between them.
 June 30, 2016 at 4:33pm
Exactly. The pentagon is ignoring delusional behavior. Transgenders face challenges that I’m glad I don’t, and I don’t wish them any ill. But I don’t believe the military is a good fit for anyone whose feelings are at odds with what they can see with their own eyes.
 June 30, 2016 at 2:31pm
“Only a person’s qualifications should matter.” Am I disqualified if I think I am a hamster?
Mental disorders used be disqualifying, so how can these schizophrenics be qualified?
 June 30, 2016 at 2:23pm
Not unexpected, but sheesh. I’m guessing it is mostly just a bone thrown to Christie, but won’t go anywhere. Such a weird election. Even as I type this I’m thinking “I really, really don’t like Christie–but, hmm, I actually may like him better than Trump–who I really, really, really don’t like–but, uhh, Clinton is sooooo inconceivably bad…aaaargh”
 June 28, 2016 at 12:54pm
These extreme thought experiments can easily be turned around. If the child were 2 years old, would anyone argue that it was okay to cut them into pieces and toss them (or provide the pieces to others for experimentation)? I understand your honest question. My honest answer is that I usually rely on my conscience to sort these things out–informed by reason, but not paralyzed by arguments put forward by people who seem to me to be trying to extinguish their own consciences.
 June 27, 2016 at 5:32pm
Yes, it “could” have read your way, but the way it was written by the Blaze is just as valid, so your “should” assertion is not factual, but only your opinion. If you want to argue that the Court’s discovery (43 years ago) in the in the penumbra of the 14th Amendment of a Constitutional right theretofore unknown, permitting one person to end the life of another for convenience (or as I gather you believe, simply to prevent a lifeless tissue mass, albeit maybe one with a beating heart and sensory perception, from becoming alive following birth) is on the same legal and moral footing as the right to bear arms acknowledged near the founding and enshrined by legislative process as a right not to be infringed, make that argument directly. If you can make that case, then your arguments for consistency and how the headline should read will be more interesting and compelling. Otherwise, the story as presented by the Blaze (that Justice Breyer may have given gun rights advocates some “ammunition” for future court battles) is more interesting to me.