I’m sorry… I still don’t understand… how is processing LEGAL paperwork against your religious convictions?? Does that mean the DMV worker can turn people away from their window and force them back into that endless line if they feel the person in front of them is somehow against their “religious convictions”?
SHHH! Don't give them any ideas! Can't you just see some "good, Bible-believing Christian" at the DMV refusing to give a license to a Muslim or a Sikh?
Driving is not a sin...
June 25, 2015 at 4:18pm
So keep your heterosexuality out of MY face… it’s all over the place and it’s disgusting. I don’t care what you do in your bedroom, but keep it out of the public sphere… I don’t want to see a man and a woman holding hands… I don’t want to see them kissing… keep it to yourselves… stop forcing it on the rest of us.
June 25, 2015 at 10:30am
The commandments Jesus gave are 1) Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.
 June 25, 2015 at 10:28am
There is NOTHING this guy can say that will convince me that God did not create me exactly as He wanted me to be. If the torture I endured during “ex-gay therapy” didn’t turn me straight, nothing short of God’s intervention will… and I’ve come to accept that God does not want me to be straight, but to spread His message as a gay man.
June 22, 2015 at 12:43am
@tbeachhead — “abomination” in the Bible actually has a closer meaning to “taboo”. For instance, in Genesis 43 it is called an “abomination” for the Egyptians to share a meal with the Hebrews. Now, obviously, there is nothing sinful about anyone eating a meal with someone of a different culture… but it is called an “abomination” for the Egyptians to do so in Genesis. AND it is the same Hebrew word that is used in the Leviticus verses.
 June 17, 2015 at 7:45pm
Amen. I would also add another verse… Galatians 3:28 — There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 June 17, 2015 at 3:56pm
Nobody is ASKING him to perform a marriage ceremony between ANY two people he disagrees with… THAT IS his Constitutional right. Quite honestly, these doomsday statements about having to be FORCED to participate in any marriage they do not support just makes them look foolish.
Yes. Just like no one would be forced to bake a cake for a gay marriage.
If same sex marriage is a "right", why wouldn't pastors of churches be forced to marry gays? If follows the natural progression of "rights".
Let me give you an example. A restaurant owner cannot "refuse service" to a black person because they are black. He MUST serve them because discrimination on the basis of race is ILLEGAL.
So, if "sexual orientation" is protected from discrimination, like race is, why wouldn't a preacher be forced to "serve" a gay couple? The restaurant owner cannot "refuse service" because a person is black, on what grounds would a pastor have in "refusing service" to a person because the person is gay?
It's a logical argument. If "sexual orientation" becomes a federally protected class, that means that no one can deny their services to those people based on the person's "sexual orientation". Pastors would be forced to "serve" gays, or be sued for discrimination.
 June 8, 2015 at 2:27pm
In fact… the father of the computer — Alan Turing — was a gay man… so I guess he needs to stop using a computer all together as well.
 June 8, 2015 at 1:55pm
Since both Facebook and Twitter support gay rights… maybe Mr Graham needs to find a different outlet to spread his message… Otherwise he is calling for others to do what he himself is not willing to do.
In fact... the father of the computer -- Alan Turing -- was a gay man... so I guess he needs to stop using a computer all together as well.
April 30, 2015 at 3:44pm
@MSSoldier — did you actually READ the story you linked?? That baker did NOT refuse to bake a cake… they refused offensive words. And the buyer wasn’t asking for a Bible quote… they were paraphrasing the Bible.
[-1] April 30, 2015 at 3:33pm
Where the cake is used is immaterial…. If someone asks for a cake that says “Congratulations John” the baker should make it… just because it’s going to be used at a Klan rally for an outgoing Grand Wizard, for example, is meaningless. As long as any words or images cannot be construed as offensive, the baker should make the cake… and “Congratulations John” is not is anyway offensive to anyone.
 April 30, 2015 at 3:23pm
@MSSoldier — the courts, again and again, have said you CAN refuse offensive words and images, you CANNOT refuse the basic service (selling a cake). THAT is the difference.
[-2] April 29, 2015 at 3:52pm
HummingBird — Every person sins, whether they want to acknowledge they sin or not. YOU have sinned today. I have also sinned today, I don’t deny it. You can say you are going to refuse to engage in sinful behavior all you want, but the truth is you DO engage in sinful behavior each and every day of your life. It is through Christ that I am washed clean of my sins, and nothing you, nor anyone else, says or does can change that.
 April 29, 2015 at 3:36pm
The Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act of 1862, signed by President Lincoln, bans marriage to more than one spouse at a time. This provides legal precedence for denying polygamous marriage recognition by the state
April 29, 2015 at 3:00pm
@pa_native — Yes… for 200+ years women were the property of men. A man went to a woman’s father and bought her for a price (called a dowry) to become his wife and mother of his children. The “Historical” definition of marriage HAS changed.
[-1] April 28, 2015 at 5:46pm
@Bytheppl4theppl — Jesus often ate meals with thieves and prostitutes… it DOES say that in the Bible… and He was often rebuked for doing so by the religious leaders of the time. If you want to be “separate from the world” then don’t set up a business IN the world.
April 28, 2015 at 5:40pm
The difference with “no shirt, no shoes, no service” is that it is applied equally to ALL people. ANYONE who enters not wearing shoes, regardless of race, gender, age, etc, is being refused service. I would hope the business owner would allow someone who lost their legs to enter without shoes on though.
 April 27, 2015 at 1:49pm
As a gay man, I happen to agree with this decision. AND the same goes for a bakery… you CAN refuse words or images you find offensive, but you CANNOT refuse the basic service… be that printing T-shirts, or baking a cake.
Can I refuse to cater your wedding? If we can agree on that, you can come into my bakery and buy all the cakes and cookies you want.
I think that is well stated. I go on to say that a christians first priority is to love and not judge. Making a cake for a gay wedding or making Pizza does not make you complicit with Gays. It simply makes you civil. Jesus did not send us into the world to judge it! We are still free to express anything we want and we should use that to show love and compassion for all people!
What about "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? If I own a nice restaurant and someone walks in with no shoes, no shirt, your argument says that I have to serve them anyway. I don't think so.
I agree with you and this has been my argument. No one, except the MSM news is claiming that anyone is refusing to serve a gay couple in a restaurant or sell them a TV (ask them to cite a case of this in the last 30 years and you will validate their straw-man argument).
I believe the difference is being forced to print or make a product with symbols that the craftsman finds offensive, for whatever reason. If asked to bake a cake for a gay wedding that is generic in nature and will be taken to the ceremony by the couple, the baker should comply.
If the baker, photographer, florist, etc., is being forced by the government to spend a decent amount of time, off-site, rendering services for a ceremony they disagree with for any reason, against their will, that is wrong, and will likely result in less than stellar service by those being forced to render the service.
Imagine someone suing a Muslim wedding photographer for failing to agree to photograph a Christian, gay marriage at a church, officiated by a Priest/Pastor/Minister because they do not agree with Christianity or homos3xuality.
If a couple is refused wedding services for any reason, has not made a down-payment for services, thus lost no money, AND are free to contract another service provider, there is no harm, no foul...this should not even go to court. The media makes it sounds as though such couples are being DENIED access to other service providers.
I disagree. After all, if it were just as simple as baking a cake, pretty much anyone could do that on their own.
No, this is about cake DECORATIONS which is an art form. If a Christian is asked to use their skills to support a private event which goes against their conscience, it's no different than asking a t-shirt printer to print a t-shirt with messages he finds against his conscience. They are both artists and provide a service that is unique and not one that everyone needs.
 April 14, 2015 at 2:58pm
I don’t know about anyone else… but what I learned as part of customer service is you make every attempt to provide the services you offer to anyone who wants them, as long as it is 1) legal, and 2) available.
[-4] April 13, 2015 at 3:33pm
Most people, and that includes LGBT people, just go to what is the most convenient to their location. Why go 10 miles out of your way when you have a florist down the street?
In this case, this was a business which provided a place to host weddings. Unlike a church, which also plays host to weddings, businesses CANNOT discriminate. If they don’t want to serve ALL the public who seeks their business, then WHY are they in business? You say they have the RIGHT of conscience to refuse to participate… and you are right… the INDIVIDUAL has that right. The BUSINESS does not. Their wedding venue must host any legal wedding in their state. Churches, on the other hand, can set parameters to their venue (like one party must be a member of the church, or the couple must go through per-marital counseling with the church first).
A Lesbian couple in Oregon went more than 35 miles out of their way, to find what is probably the only Christian bakery in the Portland-Gresham area.
When the baker told them he'd be happy to sell them anything, but that he could not make them a wedding cake, they sued.
The tiny mom & pop bakery had to close because of all the threats of violence, their vehicle was vandalized, & they are now going to lose their home because Oregon is making them pay the couple $150,000.00 in "damages."
Christian owned businesses are soft targets and the ARE being targeted by gay activists.
Another way of looking at it is :
Gay wedding minded couples are being denied their right by militant Christians through discrimination.
Heterosexuals also do not have a right to force contractual agreements.
It might be discrimination if the gay couple decided to come in and order lunch and were refused . . or walked in off the street to buy flowers and were refused.
But a contract to rent a venue or provide a service or product on a certain date for a certain price must be agreed upon by both parties.
No business MUST sign contracts with whomever demands it.
I don't know about anyone else... but what I learned as part of customer service is you make every attempt to provide the services you offer to anyone who wants them, as long as it is 1) legal, and 2) available.