Please, blow this out of proportion just a little bit more...
"Please, blow this out of proportion just a little bit more…"
How is it being
'bl;own out of proportion' ?
Violating even one of our Constitutional rights means, that eventually they can all be violated by using the same or similar excuses for the violation of the first one.
Please point to the Constitutional right. I hear a lot of talk about the Constitution, but very little actual citing of it.
1. Property rights: The owners are being asked to make a custom cake with a theme which they do not stock. They don’t provide the service of making a custom wedding cake with a same sex theme. It is a product / service they do not have in their inventory or offering.
Some of the property rights parts of the constitution: I-8-8, I-8-10, I-9-3, I-10, III-2-1, III-2-2, IV-2-1, Third Amendment, Fourth Amendment, and Eighth Amendment.
They also inserted a number of other checks and balances, designed partly to protect minorities [Christian bakers] from unfair property confiscations [forcing them to convert inventory into a product they do not offer].
2. Freedom of religion. No one should have to become a Hedonist Humanist to own a business. Someone (especially sole proprietors) who owns a business can have religious and moral convictions which affect the products and services they offer.
3. Establishment Clause: When the government uses its guns and police power to force an owner to participate in an hedonist ceremony, then the government is sanctioning Hedonist Humanism and therefore making it the country’s official religion.
Both First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an ***establishment of religion***, or ****prohibiting the free exercise thereof***; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
"Some of the property rights parts of the constitution: I-8-8, I-8-10, I-9-3, I-10, III-2-1, III-2-2, IV-2-1, Third Amendment, Fourth Amendment, and Eighth Amendment."
And which of these parts of the Constitution refer to denying service to people in your business? Perhaps the amendment about quartering soldiers?
You see, you are just cutting and pasting any reference to property rights you can find in the Constitution, but that's not actually making an argument at all. Point to the specific law in the Constitution that effectively trumps Oregon's anti-discrimination law, and then you'll actually have an argument.
Right now, your weak position relies on the idea that somehow no one realized that state-level anti-discrimination laws, some of which are in the state Constitutions themselves, contradict the federal Constitution. If you want to make a claim like that, then you will have to do a bit more than simply pointing our everywhere in the Constitution where property is mentioned.
"Please point to the Constitutional right. I hear a lot of talk about the Constitution, but very little actual citing of it."
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
They can express themselves as they choose and practice their religion however they like, so the 1st Amendment doesn't seem to make a difference in this case.
"They can express themselves as they choose and practice their religion however they like"
Then the government can't force them against their religion to bake the cake for the gay couple.
I don't know exactly what part or tenets of their religion forbid them from doing it, but if it were a baker who was an Orthodox Jew, it would be violating the part of Judaism that says "Do not tolerate evil in your midst", since those who PRACTICE (not just those who 'are' without DOING anything) gay sex, are doing what G-d calls in the Torah an 'abomination' (which obviously is evil, then) to bake the cake for them would be a direct violation of that commandment, for a Torah following Jew.
", so the 1st Amendment doesn’t seem to make a difference in this case."
I don't know specifically for this case, since I do not know all the details of that religion.
But for my religion I have shown above how it would make a very big difference for a Torah following, Jew.
 January 31, 2015 at 10:41pm
How about a rawhide?
 January 26, 2015 at 9:07pm
Alaska should just do what they want, and tell obama to screw himself. He is in violation of the 10th amendment.
 January 24, 2015 at 11:27pm
Merle Haggard had no idea in hell what he was singing about.
 January 15, 2015 at 10:21pm
Peyton Manning can!!
Ta da boom
 January 15, 2015 at 10:20pm
Umm, they may have well fired her. Moving her from delivery to inside the store is a large pay cut. Forcing people to be disarmed is a detriment to safety.
AND THEY AREN’T CHANGING THE POLICY.
 September 25, 2014 at 6:09pm
Why would I vote for progressives in November? All the liberty loving challengers were defeated. F- the republicans, they are just as bad.
 September 15, 2014 at 4:33am
His body will be dead. He will live forever. Go be miserable alone, somewhere else.
September 15, 2014 at 4:26am
You know, the leading cause of divorce is marriage…..
September 8, 2014 at 8:47pm
50 incoming rockets!!
 August 25, 2014 at 5:43pm
All we needed was a dramatic music score.
 August 15, 2014 at 8:01pm
The best way for us to control our opposition is to lead it ourselves.
 June 6, 2014 at 12:37am
Being from Oklahoma, I can shed some light on this from the inside. SHE IS FULL OF $H!T.
After the reelection, (God I hope she loses her ass) she WILL bring it back with a different name. This woman is a progressive, and I am happy to see many of my fellow oklahomans figuring it out. She voted for the bailouts, she loves using gov’t to “help” people, trust me people, she is NOT the hero people think.
A progressive that pushes cutting taxes and eliminating the state income tax?
A progressive that is very pro business?
A progressive that is a strong 2nd amendment supporter?
You must want another Brad Henry.
 May 28, 2014 at 12:23am
No it isn’t. LMAO
May 14, 2014 at 11:43pm
Courts don’t care about the law.
May 14, 2014 at 11:41pm
What makes men who prefer men so angry, is being reminded that they prefer a hole designed to eject fecal matter over the hole that nature made to accommodate their equipment in a pleasurable way.
 May 14, 2014 at 11:25pm
That was the FIRST thing that jumped in my head. It was a modified measles virus. This is something we shouldn’t screw with. Stick with gold flakes from MD Anderson.
September 27, 2013 at 12:44am
I don’t want to be THAT guy, but she said she OPPOSES COMMON CORE!!!!
Calm down people. I could believe that guy was trying to make the anti-common core side look bad, a’la cass sunstein.
September 27, 2013 at 12:39am
Here is a Communist:
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (I bet my ass you favor this one)
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (after all, they stole it, they didn’t earn it)
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State. (mass transit, rapid rail, regulated power and phone companies.)
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country
10. FREE EDUCATION FOR ALL CHILDREN IN GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.