Tzion, Yeah, I think that we have a CinC who is taking lessons from Venezuela.
 July 27, 2015 at 1:10am
“In order to become Israel the nation it first used violence on both the Palestinians and the Brits.”
Hello? There was no state of Israel prior to 1948. Thus citing events from years earlier doesn’t refute my claim. Moreover, the Arabs you call Palestinians drew first blood before the Jews had even organized major military groups. Look up the Nebi Musa riots. Arabs started killing Jews when there was no Irgun, no Haganah, no Lechi, and no Israel. that was back in 1920. Haganah was founded in response to ARAB violence in 1924. Irgun broke away from Haganah several years later after continued Arab violence which reached its peak in the late 1930s.
As for Jewish attacks on the British, again you left out all the circumstances. Originally the Jews had no issue with the British. Haganah even allied with the British against Irgun at one point to maintain order. After all, the British had vowed to create a Jewish home in Palestine. Active fighting against the British wasn’t that widespread until the British began reneging on their promise, a promise that was made official in the League of Nations Mandate. In particular, after the 1939 White Paper all but banned Jewish immigration (just in time to block Jewish refugees from Europe I might add), the British effectively burned the last of their bridges with the Jews of Palestine, with even Haganah joining in the opposition. The only cooperation received from then on was from Jews who volunteered to fight in Europe.
 July 26, 2015 at 9:57pm
Are you allergic to facts?
“People defending themselves from being conquered are not attacking first. It is the invader, who by definition, is the one attacking first.”
Israel never once attacked first. They were always attacked, then they responded. The reason they refuse to pull back is because those that attacked them never agreed not to attack again. When Egypt agreed to never again wage war against Israel, Israel withdrew. When Jordan agreed to the same, hostilities ceased. The Palestinians have been offered a state, offered peace, and refused both.
As for Palestine existing under the Ottomans even your own source denies that. If you search fro Ottoman Palestine, it redirects you to Ottoman Syria.
Incidentally, to this day the Syrian regime insists that Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories all belong to Syria. They don’t even acknowledge Palestinians at all.
As for your lie about why there are so many Palestinians in Jordan, it has nothing to do with those who fled there. It was once estimated that 70% of Jordanians were Palestinians. It’s not hard to understand why. Prior to 1922, Jordan, then known as Transjordan, was part of Palestine under the British rule.
When you insist on speaking on topics you know nothing about, you are guaranteed to come out looking like an idiot. Remember that.
 July 26, 2015 at 7:59pm
Lying about the Holocaust is antisemitism.
 July 26, 2015 at 6:55pm
And meanwhile, Jews and others gathered in Times Square to really against the deal as the speakers actively compared it to the Holocaust. Forget apology, many Jews would celebrate what he said. Myself included.
 July 26, 2015 at 6:53pm
You’re saying that cyanide gas above a certain concentration DOESN’T kill humans within 15 minutes?
And what does soap dispensers have to do with anything? Did they even have liquid soap back then? Besides, if you’d just gotten off a crowded cattle car having been forced to stand for hours, found yourself behind massive walls topped with barbed wire, were met by armed guards, had your head all but shaven, and we’re driven naked into a public “shower”,would your first concern really be where’s the soap dispenser?
And even if you did suspect,what do you propose be done? Somehow organize a group of scared, hungry people to challenge armed soldiers without a chance to even discuss how to do it?
Then again, you were the one who thought that 6 million corpses were burned at Auschwitz, right? No sorry, the who believed that the “narrative” said that 6 million corpses were burned out auschwitz. Why should I take you seriously at all?
 July 26, 2015 at 6:38pm
“Did Israel use violence to establish itself as a country prior to 1948? Yes, they did.”
And how is that relevant? America was founded through conflict. Doesn’t mean anything.
And citing the WWII bombings is a poor excuse. Such bombings were designed to cripple Germany’s industrial capabilities. Moreover, it was Germany that began the practice of bombing major cities. At no point did the allies race entire villages, slaughter entire populations, or purposely target civilian hospitals. Moreover they lacked precision weaponry back then.
And don’t tell me that Hamas lacks precision weaponry. When a Hamas terrorist blows themselves up in a night club, restaurant, or shopping mall, that is no accident. Israeli military members can be found everywhere, yet Hamas would sooner bomb a school then a military checkpoint.
 July 26, 2015 at 3:55pm
“Palestine existed before Israel conquered the area. They were part of the Ottoman Empire. When the Ottoman Empire fell the Brits took over them and the Palestinians revolted against them because they did not want to be ruled by foreigners.”
There was no distinct region called Palestine under Ottoman rule. That is a lie. Palestine was first defined upon the British conquering it. Moreover, 70% of what was originally Palestine back in 1917 is now a Palestinian Muslim majority country called Jordan, which is ruled over by the non-Palestinian Hashemite monarchy. More Palestinians live in Jordan than live in Israel.
Despite receiving 70% of Palestine, the Arabs weren’t satisfied. When the British offered them nearly all of the remainder, they refused. When the UN offered them half of the remainder (85% total) and the remaining 15% to the Jews who were legally living there, the Arabs refused again.
As for revolting against the British, the Jews were the ones who really did that after Britain failed to live up to its mandated responsibility to create Jewish state. Arab violence was directed almost exclusively against Jews. The British, being who they were, decided the way to stop Arab violence was to break their word to the Jews.
“Israel, like virtually every other country, was founded on a combination of violence and immigration, legal and illegal.”
The violence was not of Israel’s making nor was it their desire.
 July 26, 2015 at 3:20pm
“To the Israelis the Palestinians are the aggressors for failing to submit to be conquered.”
WOW. That’s totally unbiased. Nothing judgmental in that statement, right?
Israel would never have been forced to conquer if they hadn’t been attacked first. Moreover, to date Israel has returned all conquered land to it’s original country upon signing a peace treaty with said country (provided said country had legitimate to said territory). They handed over Gaza without a peace treaty at all, and even did the Palestinians the favor of creating Hitler’s dream of “Jew free” come true within Gaza. Israel no more conquered the Palestinians than the US conquered the Iraqis.
 July 26, 2015 at 2:36pm
“That one party refuses to submit to being conquered by another country is their right. Palestinians believe they too have the fundamental right to defend their nation the same as every other nation.”
They have the right to commit mass murder? Under which legal system did you find that. Hamas and others don’t challenge the IDF. They don’t target the IDF. They target civilians to the exclusion of military targets.
Ghandi fought for independence too and never once blew up a single bus. The American revolution was fought exclusively against British military forces and their military allies, never British civilians. When Israel defended itself in 1948, they didn’t start bombing Cairo and Damascus. Even in 1967, when Israel had total air superiority, not once did Israel attack a civilian target.
Your argument reminds me of that made by the Klingons at the beginning of Star Trek IV, where they wanted retribution for Klingons killed when a Federation ship they illegally seized self-destructed.
 July 26, 2015 at 1:23pm
“TO ALL, the Palestinians view all of the area that is now known as Israel as their land. In their view why should they compromise with just getting back part of what was taken from them?”
When did it ever belong to them? Jews who immigrated to what is today Israel either purchased land from prior owners or settled land that was unowned and undeveloped. Now the Palestinian’s are trying to claim that land that they never owned belongs to them. Did some Palestinians lose their land in 1948? Yes. But in nearly every case it was because they abandoned that land on their own.
“If another country invaded the US and took all of its land yet said they would be willing to give half of it back would Americans accept that or would they want it all back? Would Americans be grateful that that country did not slaughter all Americans even though they could have or would Americans be resentful?”
What if the US was the one that started the war? That’s a more accurate analogy. In fact, there is such an example in US history, only in reverse. Mexico started a war with the US, the US conquered all of Mexico, and then we returned half of it. California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and others were all originally part of Mexico.
Israel conquered land after it was attacked, not the other way around.
 July 26, 2015 at 1:17pm
Agreeing? I was refuting you. How can the actions of any Jewish group be the origin of the current conflict if the current conflict predates said Jewish group’s founding? Answer, it can’t. Therefore the actions of Irgun and others are in no way the cause of the current violence. In fact, it was Irgun that was founded in response to violence against Jews.
 July 26, 2015 at 1:12pm
Age reading your comment, all I could get our of it was absolutely nothing. You gave no examples, provided no quotes, and refused to answer the challenge. Conclusion, you are a coward. Only a coward doesn’t provide examples because a coward it too afraid of having his examples torn apart.
 July 26, 2015 at 11:38am
48 years? Jews have been under attack since 1920. And becky, there was no Irgun in 1920. Nor in 1924.
 July 26, 2015 at 11:37am
Blasphemer? Based on what? Your personal opinion?
 July 26, 2015 at 10:49am
Why would there be no Palestine? Israel doesn’t want all those Palestinians as citizens. They’d gladly allow Palestine to be created if they knew they wouldn’t be attacked the next day.