User Profile: zapparules


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  • November 24, 2015 at 9:17pm

    Not one of you have effectively been able to refute what I offer or substantiate your own claims to the contrary.
    (Dont have the time right at this moment but I will return to explain.)
    In the meantime… Maybe REALLY think about what I offered.
    Not a single ‘value’ (or something that ‘devalues’) REQUIRES that a god-belief or a god-’involvement’ of ANY sort to teach, learn or apply.
    The ‘value’ is inherent (or void) in the ‘thing’ ITSELF.
    Finish these…
    Love is good because….
    Forgiveness is good because…
    Personal accountability is good because…
    Not one of those REQUIRES a… ‘Because a god says it is so.’

    As I have notes before…
    For ME…
    A ‘good’ is a good when it BENEFITS another. (Not me)
    A ‘bad’ I’d a bad when it HARMS another. (Again – not if it just harms me.)
    No god involvement required.

  • [-1] November 24, 2015 at 2:44pm


    I will not pretend to know if another (and a dead person for that matter) is proud of my USING his name in the manner I do. (Name or anything else that I really cannot ascertain but rather only guess at.)

    What I do know is that I make it very clear when I use the words or works of someone else.
    Unlike you obviously.

    So you don’t actually believe Frank is the son of ‘Mr. Greenjeans’ – do you?
    Great – GREAT song though.

  • November 24, 2015 at 2:26pm


    Thank you for reviewing and your comments.

    All I suggest is that… One ask questions – as many as one thinks is necessary – FIRST. And then one probably will not need to make any assumptions – and a much better, more beneficial dialogue can take place.

  • November 24, 2015 at 2:23pm


    THANK you for pulling that information together.
    I WILL review and respond.

  • [46] November 24, 2015 at 2:20pm

    “It gives us the belief that there is something better — that there is someone bigger than all of us,” Fiorina said.
    I do not have a god faith (at least certainly not one that any of you could / would ever ‘relate to’) – and yet… I hold a belief that there is something better – that there is something bigger than all of us.
    “And so I think that it’s important that we elect a leader of faith … who knows that more prayer, not less, is necessary in public life and in all our lives.”
    I also pray – just not to some supposed ‘supreme being’ – and believe more prayer, not less, is USUALLY a good thing.

    All that Fiorina identified as reasons WHY someone of faith MAKES (?) a better leader are all things that do NOT REQUIRE god-based faith beliefs.

    AGAIN I will ask…
    Can anyone identify a single ‘good’ (or bad) characteristic, trait, deed that REQUIRES a god belief?
    Love. Forgiveness. Accountability. Honesty. Compassion. Humility. Generosity. etc. etc. etc.
    Not a single one of those REQUIRES a person to hold a god belief. Not a single one of those REQUIRES a god belief to teach, learn, ‘apply’ them in life.

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  • November 24, 2015 at 11:07am


    Years back I DID stay and very briefly ‘live’ with a Muslim family in a very predominantly Muslim nation in north Africa. (And that family in-turn sent their son to stay and live with our family.)

    So just who are “they”?

  • [1] November 24, 2015 at 11:02am


    I haven’t seen the details of where / when ModerateRepublican was called-out on supposedly offering “false and easily proven false,” crime stats.
    If you care to provide them here…
    MAYBE I will find them humorous.

    Like I noted to 4truth2all…
    Its really interesting that you folks focus on what folks like we offer – doing so in an apparent attempt to ignore or detract away from Trump’s blatant lies and racially inflammatory ‘re-tweets’.

    You KNOW there were NO ‘thousands and thousands” of people cheering in N.J. for Trump to witness. You KNOW such is a blatant and intentionally-made inflammatory LIE – made by Trump SOLELY because he thinks he will get political gain from such. (Which in the long run he will NOT.)

    And for him to ignorantly just re-tweet such a racially divisive graphic – all when he touts his ability to be the best leader – able to get the best people to work for him – all when our nation is already racially inflamed…

    Trump is but a lying con-artist seeking to pad his own personal resume – and doing so at a huge cost to our nation.

  • [1] November 24, 2015 at 10:50am

    Once again another poster who makes failed assumptions.

    Did I say anything like… ‘We each are NOT responsible to tell the truth and be honest at what ever level we function and interact” – ???
    Hint: NO! I did not.
    I was simply pointing out that… As a person seeking the ‘highest office of the land’ – with “thousands and thousands” (to use Trump’s amount he falsely claims he witnessed cheering in NJ. – talk about responsible to tell the truth and be honest) …Trump and others others in such positions of power and authority… THEY have a GREATER responsibility ‘getting it right’.

    If I or anyone else offer anything that should / can be proven false…
    By all means… POINT IT OUT. Hold us accountable. Hold EVERYONE accountable. I do such to folks who post here and who I interact with otherwise.

    But again… Just so you understand my point…
    People like Trump have a MUCH GREATER responsibility in making sure what he says is honest and whatever ‘statistics’ he presents – ESPECIALLY ones that will further inflame thousands, perhaps millions of people and further cause a divisive split in our nation.

    You know its really interesting that you focus on my supposedly not saying all people should be responsible to tell the truth and be honest and completely ignore Trump’s blatant lies and racially inflammatory ‘re-tweets’.

  • [-3] November 24, 2015 at 10:34am


    Nice of you to ‘steal’ that Billy Madison quote.
    Can’t think of anything original yourself?
    But since you like to use other people’s material… Here you go – one applicable to you…
    “There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”
    Frank Zappa
    (Note: The reference to hydrogen in that quote is not a reference to you.)

    But considering that you have come into a rather extended conversation that took place almost all on another thread and you probably have little awareness of its details… Well…
    Here’s another quote for you…
    “Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you’ve got any guts.”

  • [-4] November 24, 2015 at 10:23am

    So you are equating a retaliation of… What type/degree? …as a sign of… What kind of strength?
    Does ‘having ballz’ equate to having ‘smatrz’?
    Is an escalation of the tensions and military actions already occurring in the region something you see as a positive?

  • [-5] November 24, 2015 at 6:51am

    Like I said…
    Childish, personal attacks.

  • [-2] November 24, 2015 at 6:47am

    Curious. How often do you find emails and other sources that hold little or no ‘truthiness’ (and whose intent rather is to mislead) to be of value?

  • [-13] November 24, 2015 at 1:12am

    See the thing is utopiabuster…
    You need to actually (at least TRY to) support / defend your own contentions to have credibility – be willing and/or able – and so… When it is you that ‘walks away’ from our discussion without that willingness or ability…

    You have failed to substantiate your own claims – and then you end-up making-up baseless and further unsubstantiated claims against me – with childish personal attacks.

    And since I have presented – in detail – the support for my contentions and how they refute what little you are offering…
    How did I put it before? Oh yea…
    You simply invent for yourself a self-perceived safety-zone reality that just does not exist – but yet you think still protects you from having your failed positions revealed.

    Right from the get go you make baseless and/or erroneous initial assumption(s) that then seem to force you to make another – and then another – and then another – until you’re left only with the option of… running away.

    I’m sure you’ll give me another chance to put this all on display once again so…
    See you soon.
    For now… Go back to pretending that…
    You’re a great American. Getting Thumbs-up validations from those that think just like you. That’s some nice, friendly, good stuff there – isn’t it now? A chance to rebuild that safety-zone around yourself again.

  • [-5] November 24, 2015 at 12:37am

    Apparently he also can’t negotiate or make a deal for a decent fact checker.
    (Though that matters little right now for his base. But it will. Oh boy it will.)

  • [-16] November 24, 2015 at 12:33am

    Now there’s an idea.
    Trump can tout that the bible is his most favorite book and Cruz can roll-out associates like Pastor Kevin Swanson – the American Christian ‘pastor’ (and I use that term very loosely) who preaches that the bible gives justification for the killing of gays.

    A Trump/Cruz Independent ticket.
    That would be GREAT!!!
    A big liar and an extremist.
    Sell that one to the American public.

  • [-13] November 24, 2015 at 12:29am


    Trump could become / stay the Republican nominee and that too would still hand the Democrats a victory in November.

    The GOP has no base.

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  • November 24, 2015 at 12:25am


    I’ll let ModerateRepublican respond for himself (herself?) but I would just like to ask you…
    Is ModerateRepublican running for the highest office of our country and do the statistics – any statistics or anything Moderate offers have any bearing on race relations or other critical national matters – at a level at anything close to what the leader of the Republican presidential race does?

    Trump has a RESPONSIBILITY to get such critical facts right.
    ModerateRepublican’s responsibility???

  • [2] November 24, 2015 at 12:19am


    Come on now. You can do much better than that.

    Trump claims to be such a great manager / leader.
    A good manager / leader does NOT (ever) send out such a potentially very racially offensive tweet without having someone check the critical factual content of such.

    A newspaper story that in NO WAY collaborates a claim of “thousands and thousands” – ???
    And then asking others for the apology. When Trump NEVER apologizes for his glaring mistakes and offenses.
    What an amazing failure Trump is.

    And again… A truly good manager / leader does NOT (ever) offer witnessing such a scene knowing it can’t be proven AND… More importantly… When all such a lie does is further inflame the hatred against AMERICAN Muslims – ALL Muslims – hatred that because of the recent attacks is already very high.
    NO GOOD ‘leader’ does something like that.

    Trump is seeking but potential short-term political gain at the very high cost of probable long-term national division.

    And some of you STILL think such words / actions are representative of ‘good leadership’.
    I would love to try and understand WHY.

  • [-19] November 23, 2015 at 11:51pm

    Disappointing and lame cop-out ‘finish’ utopiabuster
    You know what I’m talking about.

    I summed things up for us so…
    You can walk away from that thread now. Especially since it appears you have nothing else to offer.

  • November 23, 2015 at 11:47pm


    It’s really no wonder you take the unwilling / unable position of: “The rest of that post is just more rambling”.
    Another point I made that you can not refute…
    Carson’s TRULY WONDERFUL medical contributions do NOT mean he would contribute ‘positively’ as our president – and… (and you probably could actually TRY to refute this point but…) … Carson’s medical contributions do not ‘excuse’ / lesson the craziness of SOME (few) of his beliefs.

    What a cop-out utopiabuster.
    I’ll know not to expect much from you in the future then. Again – not sure why I expected much this time – maybe because you seemed ‘invested’ in the discussion but…
    Unlike the stamina Carson shows when performing those marathon surgeries… You can’t even handle a slightly extended ‘verbal’ debate.

    And remember…
    It was YOU that made the initial response to my post.
    You started something you obviously could not finish.

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