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zapparules

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  • November 24, 2014 at 4:31pm

    vofr
    I am indeed long-winded. But sometimes difficult challenges like those I have presented require a bit more detail to effectively discuss. Sorry that I feel things like these deserve a bit more attention than just two-bit false, generalized comments like: “If you want to make conservative angry, tell them a lie. If you want to make a liberal angry, tell them the truth.”
    Those might be cute sound-bite-like comments for your conservative buddies – made up so as to solicit simple, meaningless thumbs-up responses but… Your comments are far from accurate and do nothing to bridge the divide.

    Except for the Ebola one… How do you know none of the other scenarios I presented have not happened? They most certainly COULD happen. And if conservatives were setting policy in this nation the Ebola scenario could happen too.

    Let’s just take Ebola again for example.
    What have conservatives offered to address / ‘fix’ this very serious issue?
    Seems to me that have offered a ‘seclusionist’ approach. Lock the borders. Quarantine EVERYONE in possible contact with the virus. Treat only those already here. And most important… Do nothing to address the problem at its source. (Which is what almost every expert in the field is suggesting needs to be done.)

    NO. Obama did NOT say: ‘No boots on the ground.’
    In fact he has put the boots on the ground he said he would – and just recently put even MORE on the ground.

    Why do you believe your making stuff up is an effective argument?

  • [-5] November 24, 2014 at 10:28am

    vofr
    I was talking about those posting here BUT…
    SOME conservatives holding office have called for such a ban. You do realize that – right?
    Or are you just playing dumb to avoid actually responding to what I posted – because you still are not responding to that scenario / any of the scenarios I presented.
    WHY not?
    Are you afraid to reveal your hypocrisy / double-standard – or cold-heartedness?

    When people TRULY think about how the policies they support COULD apply to their lives – the lives of their loved ones… I find they tend to ‘modify’ their positions (towards what many liberals think).
    It’s OK. I won’t call you a liberal for believing the life of a loved one is more ‘valuable’ than a failed policy.
    Even though the life of a loved one IS more valuable and important than…
    A possible Ebola policy that banishes ALL infected people from getting medical help here in the U.S. – even American citizens – and even when there is NO medical expert support for such.

    Even though the life of a loved one IS more valuable and important than…
    A death row policy that allows for the possible botched execution of possible innocent people – being sent to their death via a flawed, far-less-than 100% guilt assuring legal system.

    Even though the life of a loved one IS more valuable and important than…
    The ‘principled’ beliefs on homosexuality – when such beliefs can indeed cause (almost certainly has caused) a loved one to take their own life.

    So stop dancing around reality.

  • [-4] November 24, 2014 at 10:11am

    vofr: “Have there been any American citizens with Ebola that have not been brought back into the country?”
    NO. Because that is NOT the policy. And that was NOT the real-life possible scenario I presented.
    There INDEED HAVE BEEN many (conservatives?) who have posted here fighting for a policy that would bar infected U.S. citizens from returning.

    What is YOUR position on that very real possible policy / my overall scenario?

  • [-2] November 24, 2014 at 10:07am

    shogun459
    First: Do WHAT as I say?
    Second: Were did I post anything about them (the conservatives in my scenarios) being Christian?
    Third: Why did you not respond – at all – to any of my very possible real-life scenarios. Why is that?

  • [-9] November 24, 2014 at 10:01am

    Snowleopard
    So HOW do YOU suggest ‘we’ fight ISIS?
    So do you believe we should go back to combat operations in Afghanistan? That we should have never stopped combat operations in Afghanistan?
    You do have an understanding of the cost of such? In American lives and financially – yes?
    You do know almost every military leader believes our military capabilities were extend to near breaking points because of our extended, long-term combat operations in Afghanistan and Iraq – yes?

    I most certainly do not want a ‘god-king and savior’ and pretty sure most reasonable and responsible people do not want a ‘god-king and savior’.
    What we do want is not only leadership from our president but leadership from the REST of our elected ‘leaders’ as well!
    Is there ANY unified position by Republicans on how to deal with ISIS? (By Dems?)
    By ANYONE?

    Just what IS the imminent, tangible threat ISIS posses to the U.S. / Americans?
    And just how do YOU Snowleopard propose we deal with such?

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  • [-18] November 24, 2014 at 9:54am

    Maybe you could at least present one or two key reasons WHY you think that.

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  • [-4] November 24, 2014 at 9:51am

    I wonder how many posting here will actually address the contention that: “many Republicans believe it is Obama’s decision not to allow a substantial U.S. ground force to fight the terrorist group that is preventing the U.S. from making real progress.”
    And so…
    Do you folks support more – MANY MORE ‘boots on the ground?
    All ready to pay for and deal with the death of more Americans ‘invading’ yet ANOTHER country?

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  • [-5] November 24, 2014 at 9:44am

    SocialismSuxEveryday
    I’ll respond to your post when you actually respond to mine.

  • [-8] November 24, 2014 at 9:43am

    HIsJustice
    “not really”
    That doesn’t sound real definitive.
    Not really what?

    So all travel plans should now be abandoned because we just don’t know… Ebola could strike anyone traveling anywhere. So that late-in-life world trip your parents have so long saved for and planned… GONE. They have to stay home – all because should they catch the Ebola… Their loving son?/daughter? here at home will not lift a finger to get them back in the states and to the best life-saving chance they would have.

    Or what if their job depended upon them travelling to such risky areas? Would you tell them they would have to accept being fired over such?
    As compared to supporting a ‘denial of reentry policy’ (MAYBE one even set up by Obama himself) but one that is NOT supported by the medical community – ???

    “make such a bad decision again”
    Again?
    Don’t worry. When you abandon them to die in another country from Ebola they may well not be making any more bad decisions EVER again!

    Ride bike…
    I did not present that scenario. Stay focused if you can.

    So HIsJustice..
    You rank such this way:
    God
    Country
    Family
    ???

    Or…
    Country
    God
    Family
    ???

    Or…
    Country
    Family
    God

    Glad to see there is no selfishness in you that might infringe on the security of our nation – over the supposed value you have for your loved one’s life!
    (Even though NO expert supports what you do.)

  • November 24, 2014 at 9:23am

    Mom for freedom
    WOW!
    That’s some incredible ‘stuff’ there.

    “…and God Himself will defend her by swallowing up the armies in a great earthquake and then turning the armies upon each other.”
    “On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another.”
    “A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals”
    “Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations”
    “The Lord[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.”

    That’s some god you got there.
    Turns man on man? Strickens the people with great panic – so much so that they will attack one another? Turns the animals on each other too? The animals? Really?
    Brings on them the plague?
    And it sounds like the lord ‘himself’ will be handing out some good ole ‘behind whooping’ himself.
    Nice.
    A good and just lord can’t let but the humans and other animals have all the death and destruction fun, now can ‘he’???

    Boy I really hope religious extremists don’t ruin it all for the rest of us – TRYING to MAKE their supposed prophecies come true. What a bummer that would be for the rest of us.

    Again… That’s some kind of good, loving, just, forgiving? god you got yourself there.
    Could you maybe just ‘enjoy’ him ‘on your own dime’ and not drag the rest of us into your extremest prophecy of global death and destruction?
    Thanks

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  • [-14] November 24, 2014 at 8:36am

    Or how about conservative hypocrisy / double standard on this possible real-life scenario… ???

    They have immigrated to America, from, say… a ‘difficult’ and threatening life in a South American country – legally getting to America and legally establishing citizenship however… Not their entire family was able to come with them at the original time they did. Now though… Things have gotten so bad in their original homeland that for their own safety the rest of their family, a son and daughter have had to flee and illegally cross the border into the U.S.
    The daughter dies in the very difficult and dangerous border crossing. The son makes it – and while here in the U.S. illegally resides with his parents (‘you’ the conservative now-U.S. citizen parents) – and the son has even gone off to school and gotten a job – and is considering serving in our military.
    One big problem though.
    If ‘caught’… The son would need to be deported.
    And this is (was?) a position the conservative parents agreed with.
    But now that they’ve lost their only other daughter and their son is here doing good things…
    Do these conservatives stand by their principles and… Turn over their only son to authorities and have him deported (back to the very dangerous homeland) OR… Do they seek reasonable and responsible changes in our nation’s immigration policy so their son can stay living with them and ‘work’ his way into becoming a U.S. citizen. (even thou he originally came here illegally) – ??

  • [-14] November 24, 2014 at 8:25am

    Or how about conservative hypocrisy / double standard on this possible real-life scenario… ???
    (Or maybe no hypocrisy / double standard? Maybe just pure cold-heartedness…???)

    A son sits on death row but the son maintains his innocence and the mother and father believe him but… More importantly to them they are ‘principled’ conservatives believing in the rule of law and the death penalty so… What’s a parent to do?
    Do they stand by their conservative principles and support the state and its flawed legal system that they know can not assure 100% guilt and can not assure a ‘respectable’, non-botched execution… All while (supposedly) believing their son who continues to profess his innocence?

    Do the conservative, principled parents stand by their principles and not oonly accept but support the execution of their son or… Do they stand with the protesters who value (a possible innocent) life over a flawed legal and execution system?

    I wonder how actually experiencing such a possible real-life/death by state experience might ‘modify’ the death penalty position of such conservatives.

  • [-12] November 24, 2014 at 7:33am

    And if you want to show the hypocrisy / double standard of most any conservative… Just ask them to stand behind their policy positions when such would apply to a loved one of theirs – like to their wife or husband, mother or father, son or daughter.

    For example…
    Ask a conservative who ‘now’ supports refusing anyone (even U.S. citizens) who may be infected with the Ebola virus, return entry into the U.S.
    Ask the conservative if they would stand behind such a policy if (and especially if it was Obama who enacted a policy) where say in a real life possible scenario…. Their wife or husband, mother or father, son or daughter becomes infected while traveling overseas and the very best chance at saving their life is to bring them back to the states.
    Ask that conservative THEN if he still supports such a ‘banishment’ policy – even if it means their loved one would almost certainly die from the infection.

    Ask the conservative how their conversation on this matter with their loved one might go.
    ‘Mother… I know you and father have been planning this overseas trip for some time now but… What with this Ebola situation… You do realize mom, dad, that if you were to get infected while overseas… I would not fight to bring you back into the U.S. even though the chances of you dying then are significantly increased because, well… Because I value country before family. So… Remember mom, dad… No ‘catchy’ Ebola because I will not seek to bring you home to save you.’

  • [-5] November 23, 2014 at 5:45pm

    6/27/13: “The Senate on Thursday passed the most monumental overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a generation, … clear the way for millions of undocumented residents … at citizenship, attract workers from all over the world and devote unprecedented resources for security along the U.S.-Mexico border. … The vote was 68-32. Fourteen Republicans crossed … to vote with all Democrats in favor. Thursday’s vote now puts the onus of immigration reform on the Republican-led House, where leaders have been resistant to the Senate legislation.”
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-93530.html#ixzz3JvxZvzQU

    From the Wall St. Journal:
    “But many balked at debating an issue that divides Republicans and feared giving the president a legislative victory in an election year. Some suggested pushing the issue to 2015, when Republicans might have control of the Senate and more leverage.”

    OK then. Let’s see what happens in a couple months time.

    “If Congress fails to act, immigration is likely to be a critical issue in the 2016 elections. In 2012, Republican Mitt Romney won 59% of white votes—the highest on record—but lost because he did so poorly with minorities, including winning just 27% of Hispanic votes. In the wake of that defeat, the party’s official leadership concluded the GOP needed to embrace an immigration overhaul.”

    “The reality is no Republican will take the White House again if Hispanics voted the way they voted in 2012,” said Fleischer

  • [-6] November 23, 2014 at 5:27pm

    I.B.FORWARD
    So its fine to break up families?
    So its fine that some of the brightest and most motivated who come to America to study have to be sent away?
    So our current border security efforts are just perfectly fine?

    You obviously know nothing about this issue.
    Apparently many of our ‘leaders’ in the Senate – Dems AND Repubs felt numerous immigration issues needed addressed as they passed bi-partisan legislation – Only to have it moved on to the House where extreme right Repubs have held it hostage.
    Obama has indicated he would have / will sign that if – IF it can ever find its way out of the House.

  • [-3] November 23, 2014 at 5:16pm

    BehindBlueEyes
    I am talking about the immigration issue.
    Most Dems are as bad as the Repubs.

    There was a bi-partisan bill that passed the Senate but which when passed to the house… We were told it had to pass piece-meal. And the Dems and Obama was fine with that. But did the Senate-passed immigration bill that was broken-up but maintained all the key parts ever passed by the House?
    No.

    And like I said. There is absolutely nothing stopping the Republicans from passing legislation right now that would address Obama’s Executive Order.
    So why don’t they DO SOMETHING?

  • [3] November 23, 2014 at 5:11pm

    What a terrible tragedy all around.

    I guess I need to revise my ‘standard comment’ on such matters.
    Add a gun – real or fake – to any environment and the chance for injury or death is significantly increased.

    Sad. So very, very sad.

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  • [-6] November 23, 2014 at 12:31pm

    Seriously?
    This is getting so tiring.
    Here is yet ANOTHER story that has ZERO connection to Obama and what do so many of you do… You attempt to AGAIN make it about Obama.

    Just try to remember the next 1000 times any of you reference Obama to a story that has absolutely nothing to do with him that you remember the last 1000 times you also said: ‘There goes the Left again, blaming Bush.’ (When often it IS the case that Bush has a direct connection to the story at hand.)

    Or just keeping rolling along with your double-standard approach to posting commentary.

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  • [-2] November 23, 2014 at 11:28am

    himynameisliberty
    “anti-Catholics”?
    “so many”

    You might want to not confuse those – and there are indeed some out there / posting here who are indeed anti-Catholics – with those who simply seek to ‘challenge’ the beliefs of (supposed) Catholics / Christians.

    I want to know WHY someone holds the (faith) beliefs they do – and I may (seemingly) ask challenging questions of such folks but… In no way am I “anti-Catholics”.
    My parents were strong, wonderful Catholics. Most all of my siblings from a very large family remain Catholic (in their minds). My wife and I sent our son to a Catholic grade school. Our family attends numerous Catholic-sponsored/related events each year. I personally and intimately know a great many VERY WONDERFUL Catholic people.
    My challenges to WHY Catholics (and any other of god / religious belief) hold the faith beliefs they do should in no way be construed as being “anti-Catholic”.

    Do you think everything every Catholic and the Catholic church does / has done is ‘good’? Are you being “anti-Catholic” when you accept the fact that they have not always been ‘good’ – and ‘challenge’ such?

    Just how many is “so many”
    If say… 5% of all who post here are REALLY anti-Catholic… Is that “so many”?
    I would say that is but a tiny fraction.
    But I wouldn’t even want to really guess who is TRULY anti-Catholic and posting here.
    You?

  • [-1] November 23, 2014 at 10:56am

    Great minds think alike. And its the two of you…
    Now THAT gave me a good laugh on this lovely Sunday morning.

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