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zapparules

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  • [1] January 30, 2015 at 2:36pm

    LouieKelcher74
    My sentiments exactly.

  • [-2] January 30, 2015 at 2:31pm

    “Those who want the world to be as they would like it (ex. if I want to do X it is ok) can not stand people of Faith.?”
    Not true.
    Certainly not provable.
    I would LIKE the world to be as I would like but… I most certainly can stand – in fact, I TRULY LOVE MANY people of faith.

    I very often “just look”.
    I very often “take the time to just really see what is around us.”
    AND… I find it WONDERFUL.
    (Well. Not all of it. Not everything is wonderful. There is still far too much ‘bad’ and suffering in the world – BUT… There is also GRAND MAGNIFICENCE to behold.
    And I don’t need a god belief to feel that way.

    “perfection of the grand design.”
    Perfection?
    Really?
    Let’s just look at our little planet… Is all of it ‘perfect’?
    Besides the ‘freewill’ pain and suffering caused by some humans that is out there… What about the natural ‘imperfections’ that cause incredible suffering and massive death? (Volcanoes / Tsunamis / Earthquakes – and MUCH more) Is all that part of a ‘perfect grand design’?

  • January 30, 2015 at 2:24pm

    I see it AND can (and DO) appreciate such even while NOT believing it a creation of some god.
    Wonderful indeed.

  • January 30, 2015 at 2:22pm

    and Fuzzier1…
    So if Obama is campaigning (and I’ve already agreed that he does still campaign for the Democrat party – and for other ’causes’ as well) … Can you identify anyone who might be on a possible campaign staff / delegation?
    Can you identify anyone CURRENTLY working with Obama who ALSO is involved with this anti-Netanyahu effort?
    Do THAT and at least a connection can then be established but otherwise… It is pure conjecture.
    And along with pure conjecture is the fact that for many it is also the presenting of a double standard because unless you are against Citizens United and the very real threat of foreigners influencing OUR elections then… Why such concern for some Americans possibly influencing some other country’s election?
    Seems many of you want to condemn what’s going on in another country all while ignoring the very same ‘condemn-able’ action / policy here in OUR country.

  • January 30, 2015 at 2:10pm

    Bad_Ashe: “Morals exist because God exists”
    Your attempt to use semantics to get around my key point is rather humorous.

    Your statement INDEED offers that ONLY because of some god existence are there morals.
    Whether I word it as a BELIEF in some god – or as you present it as some gods existence – GOD is NOT required for the establishment of morals.
    Morals do NOT exist because some god exists.

    “If a moral values are only an internal product of society, this is utilitarianism.”
    I believe that statement is false.
    utilitarianism: “the doctrine that actions are right if they are useful or for the benefit of a majority.”
    I do not believe morals need to be / always should be “useful” OR “for the benefit of a majority.”
    The INDIVIDUAL is equally as critical as consideration for the majority.

    “objective morality must be externally held in some kind of ultimate, sentient, moral source.”
    No – It must not. Not in any way, shape or form.

    Give me ONE example of something – some objective morality – that MUST / that REQUIRES “some kind of ultimate, sentient, moral source”.

    And what of those ‘true’ Christians who do NOT offer any charitable givings?
    Or what about some atheist who can (perhaps has) been MORE charitable than any Christian?
    Were are you getting your numbers?
    How many were killed during the Crusades (and elsewhere) under Christian leaders.

    “Ultimate power corrupts everyone, but it clearly corrupts atheists even more.”
    A TOTALLY unsubstantiated OPINION.

  • January 30, 2015 at 1:49pm

    AlexS1
    Is that your cop-out mechanism when you won’t or can’t respond to the context of a post?

  • January 30, 2015 at 1:48pm

    Whiplash
    So what have your comments got to do with Monk-Man’s post or my subsequent post?

    Apparently you have no clue as to how a true Marxist dictator operates.

    EVERY political ‘leader’ is a proven liar!

    As for the comment: “We are 5 days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
    How about we present that in context?
    “Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that’s taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.

    “In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor.”

    I have NO PROBLEM – in fact – I did and would WELCOME MORE of that type of fundamental transformation in our country.
    You Whiplash?
    Do you believe in investing in the Middle Class?
    Do you believe in creating new jobs, growing the economy, working towards giving everyone a chance to succeed?

  • January 30, 2015 at 1:38pm

    Fuzzier1
    You are correct. He does campaign for the Democrat party.
    However… The Breitbart story reports that: “That group [One Voice] is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2012 field director Jeremy Bird.”
    Does Obama still work with Bird? (Doesn’t appear so.)
    Are there others in the One Voice group that work with Obama? I don’t know.

    I do know Bird and his political consulting firm 270 Strategies was hired by Hillary. (Would assume they are still working for Hillary since they were hired to work on her possible 2016 run.)

    Again I will say… ANY attempts by our govt., people of our govt – or ANY citizens or organizations or corporations, etc., to influence the outcome of an election in another country IS WRONG!
    But until ‘we’ change the laws about such…
    All (some of us) can do is say such efforts are wrong.

    Let me ask you Fuzzier1… Do you support the Citizens United ruling?

  • [1] January 30, 2015 at 1:21pm

    Fuzzier1
    ANY form / degree of ‘foreign influence’ in OUR election process is WRONG!

    Well before Obama was elected… I have long argued that we MUST remove ‘the money’ out of our election process. ALL of our political ‘leaders; are literally being bought.
    And that INCLUDES Obama!!!

  • January 30, 2015 at 10:02am

    Bad_Ashe
    PROVE that “Morals exist because God exists….or to better clarify, objective morals exist because God exists.”

    Identify for me ONE “objective moral” that REQUIRES a god belief.

    You utterly contradict yourself with those two paragraphs. (The “Since God’s existence…” and “That being said…” paragraphs)

    “At best you could argue that atheists lack that additional moral support when it comes to making moral decisions, …”
    NO. At best MAYBE YOU could TRY to argue such but… Not I and – I doubt YOU could even argue that. Care to try?

    I can put forth and show WHY I believe someone with no god belief or no ‘awareness’ of any god can still live (and teach) EVERYTHING that is considered ‘good’ – or ‘bad’ – by anyone else.
    (Anything that is that is NOT directly ‘god-connected’. Like how the word being defined cannot be used in the definition of that word. One can’t say it is bad to not believe in a god. That is directly ‘god-connected. I am talking about things like… Compassion. Tolerance. Generosity. Accountability. Forgiveness. – Or on the negative / ‘bad’ side of things… Physical harm. Intolerance. Vengeance – etc. etc.

    NO GOD belief or any ‘mention’ of any god is required to teach and live those things.
    Throwing a god-belief into the mix ONLY serves to give someone an ability to manipulate the judgement of such things.

  • January 30, 2015 at 9:50am

    Eastinfection
    Appears you are confused sir.
    It sure appears – based on where you posted it – as if you were agreeing with my OTHER comment – the comment offering: “Just as one without any god belief can have a deep understanding of the value / meaning of life. Just as one without any god belief can live and teach ALL that is considered good (or bad) / moral (or immoral).”

    BUT… Do you agree with my comment posted above – the comment that offers: “And what could be a bigger ‘hammer’ then to threaten someone with eternal damnation if you don’t believe and act in a certain way?”
    THAT is what this particular thread was discussing.
    Does that clear up YOUR confusion?

    And what? Pointing out the double standard so often ‘applied here… That means I am playing the “victim card” – ???
    Yet another failed cop-out by you indicating you are either unwilling or unable to address the actual content of what I post.

  • [-3] January 30, 2015 at 9:40am

    So Monk-Man…
    Seems you are trying to suggest that Obama himself or someone in the administration has directly orchestrated this campaign delegation’s efforts in Israel.
    ANY proof of such?
    Otherwise…
    Seeing as Obama is not running for office and hence, would no longer have a campaign delegation…
    And seeing as the delegation’s efforts are being reported as being funded by “a group called “One Voice,” reportedly funded by American donors” [according to the Breitbart.story]…
    There appears – so far at least – zero support for directly connecting these apparently fully legal efforts to Obama.

    I’ll even point out – just for YOU Monk-Man… There are reports indicating One Voice has received grants by the State Dept. SOoooo…
    Does a grant to an organization such as that mean the State Department or the Obama administration or Obama himself is DIRECTLY managing who this group funds and then who THAT group (the delegation) then goes and does?

    If there is something illegal going on PROVE IT and then hold those responsible FULLY ACCOUNTABLE. Otherwise… These folks are just ‘playing politics’.

    So very interesting that some of you take concern over this but… Have Speaker Boehner undercut Obama with Netanyahu’s visit and that kind of ‘influence peddling’ is fully supported by you folks.

    And I find it quite interesting that some of you folks are REALLY concerned about this possible ‘interfering’ with Israeli elections BUT… Concern about Citizens United- ?!?!?!

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  • January 30, 2015 at 8:59am

    And what of those foreigners playing games with OUR elections via the Citzens United?
    When have you shown concern about that situation here in America?

  • January 30, 2015 at 8:58am

    Obama is not running for office so… He does not have a campaign team.

  • January 30, 2015 at 8:57am

    So are you as concerned about how foreigners can fund influence in OUR elections?
    Or do you fully support Citizens United that allows such?

  • [-1] January 30, 2015 at 8:54am

    Interfering in their election
    How so?

    Ohhhhh. You mean perhaps like how Citizens United allows for foreigner to interfere in our elections. Kind of like that – eh?

    Curious Monk-Man. Do you know if Israel has any laws against such? If not. Why would / should these folks be jailed?

    Seems many of you are showing MUCH MORE concern over this than how OUR OWN elections can and almost certainly are being influenced by foreigners (via the Citizens United ruling).

  • [-4] January 30, 2015 at 8:45am

    See. SEE! I told you so.
    This siting PROVES the Sierra Nevada red fox is doing just fine. This proves there are plenty of them.
    Now SHOOT and KILL IT!

    (Sorry. Just channeling some of my sarcastic conservatism)

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  • January 29, 2015 at 2:12pm

    Eastinfection
    So what if justangry’s “assertion had no theological context”?
    The main focus behind this particular story IS ‘theological-based’.
    It was justangry going ‘off script’ then – not I.

    Lame cop-out attempt by you to get out of not replying on what I identify as the often used threat of eternal damnation (to TRY and ‘motivate’ some to believe and act in a certain way).

    And why is it that when I take a topic ‘wide’ or even totally ‘off script’… very often I am ‘called on it’ (nicely – of course) yet when those who the majority who post here agree with do the same… They are hardly ever held accountable in the same way.
    Interesting how that double standard works for some of you folks.

  • January 29, 2015 at 1:28pm

    Bad_Ashe: “can you point out the particular moment where I made a judgement?”
    I can.
    But let me first point out…
    judgement: “the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions”
    So here is where you “made a judgement”:
    “atheists come to their godlessness due to emotional turmoil or emotional rejection all the time. Sometimes it’s because of a death, sometimes because of their sexuality, sometimes because they were bullied, and sometimes because they lack complex emotional reasoning.”
    THAT is a statement of judgment.
    And one that, may I say, could easily ALSO APPLY to say… Christians. (Or perhaps most anyone of god belief.)
    ‘(Christians) come to their ‘god-ness’ due to emotional turmoil or emotional rejection all the time. [Not as in: Every time but... Often] Sometimes it’s because of a death, sometimes because of their sexuality, sometimes because they were bullied, and sometimes because they lack complex emotional reasoning.”

    So Bad_Ashe. Can you point out anything I stated that was even remotely incorrect?

  • January 29, 2015 at 1:00pm

    supermansdad: “Moral relativism like she implies means there are no rules, murder & rape are fine.”

    Without using any god belief or reference to any god… I can teach someone (a child) that murder & rape are NOT fine. That SOME rules are REQUIRED to keep stability in a society / keep ‘peace’ among people.

    There is not a single ‘good’ or ‘bad’ that REQUIRES a god belief to teach or live such.

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