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zapparules

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  • [-2] November 26, 2014 at 2:18pm

    8YRSOFHELL
    What do you know of Brown’s step-father?
    How long has he been in a relationship with his mother?
    How strong of an influence was he in Brown’s life.

    You make a terrible assertion that I will assert you do not have the facts to back up.

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  • November 26, 2014 at 10:41am

    Keff
    “Your” – You are – You’re obviously in need of a middle class white man lesson.
    I will not stop posting. (Most certainly not because you ask/tell me to.)
    Are your little fingers tired of scrolling? Because almost certainly you aren’t reading the details. IF you are though, then…
    WHY don’t you engage in the conversation rather than make childish comments?
    Thank you child.

  • November 26, 2014 at 10:36am

    gravelagitator
    WHY do YOU come and read these stories and posts and then make the pretty-much valueless one/two/three sentence posts you do?

    Engage in the discussion. You MIGHT get some real value out of it.

  • November 26, 2014 at 10:33am

    Socialism…
    I have noted that NO ONE has been kept out for treatment. BUT, contrary to your belief… MANY (posting here and elsewhere) HAVE INDEED suggested a policy of NO Admittance (if infected or even just exposed to the Ebola virus). Do take your head out of the sand.
    And beyond that reality…
    If YOUR life were turned up-side-down by such a ‘contact quarantine’ policy… If YOUR job was threatened by such a policy… And if such a policy was enacted by Obama… Would YOU still support it?

    “How many on death row have you known were innocent?”
    So you are CERTAIN ALL executions have been of people 100% ASSURED of guilt?
    “Is the system flawed – YES.”
    “Is it better than any other alternative – YES.”
    Is it better if YOU or YOUR loved one is the innocent execution ‘victim’ of a flawed legal system or execution process?

    NO ONE is suggesting a deterrence of “none”.
    Life in prison is a pretty strong deterrent – I and many others think. It may not be the ULTIMATE deterrent but…WHY should we hand out the ultimate deterrent via a flowed system?
    What proof have you to offer that clearly identifies the death penalty as ANY type of deterrence?

    “How many murderers have been set free only to murder again? How do you feel about that real life scenario?”
    LIFE IN PRISON.
    THAT is how I feel about such.

    “Man Freed After 39 Years in Prison”
    Life sentence “man freed … when a witness said he lied as a boy”
    “said he kept quiet because investigators threatened … parents”

  • November 26, 2014 at 10:04am

    And then…
    It is Mr. Root’s utter arrogance to sum up his lengthy ‘lesson’ by suggesting that “The Ferguson verdict is nothing but a WMD- Weapon of Mass Distraction.”
    Tell that to the parents and loved ones of the previous hundreds of slain sons and daughters. Tell that to these parents. Tell that to the parents of the next far-too-many killed-by-authorities victims.

    AGAIN Mr Root.
    IF some 3000+ regulations are TRULY more important than life and the taking of life by authorities then… Why did you not focus the vast majority of your allotted very valuable space to covering the details of them?

    Your ‘while middle class lesson’ Mr. Root is nothing but a failed course in IGNORANCE.
    Go back to, or revisit ‘school’ and this time… TRY to actually immerse yourself in the overall, very educational and enlightening environment of it all. ALL of the lessons. ALL the instructors. ALL the ‘students’ – and how each and every single one of them brings their own ‘class experiences’ and lessons with them throughout their entire life.
    Maybe if you do that ‘next time’ you might not so deservedly receive an ‘F’.

  • November 26, 2014 at 9:50am

    Conkuur
    Just like the kid’s actions…. These abusive, deadly actions by the authorities (at least viewed as abusive and unjustified killings by MANY – and such statistically supported) – are and SHOULD be condemned – so as to possibly save “one freaking kid”.
    Could it also not possibly make all these (non-violent) protest about this and so many other similar tragedies “a turning point and a positive message going forward”???

    The lack – the seeming inability – or lack of ‘desire’ to see or even TRY to see these things through the eyes of others… I think THAT is one of the biggest failures of so many.
    MAYBE THAT is what I want and where I am trying to get to.

    So Conkuur… How are issues like this NOT emotional?

    What bothered me most and why I originally offered such long posts directed to Mr. Root is that I saw an utter failure – an utter abandonment of any attempt to ‘Walk in their shoes’. It is Mr Root’s apparent gloating of SUPPOSEDLY getting it right about the supposed justification of the KILLING of an unarmed young man that got me emotional.
    It is Mr Root’s arrogance of suggesting that… Because he had / has HIS ‘white middle class life’ then… ALL SHOULD be able to learn from that and ‘get it right’ about this matter. THAT got me emotional.
    It is Mr. Roots arrogant CERTAINTY that he and this (flawed? / questionable?) Grand Jury got it right. THAT too got me emotional.

    And then…

  • November 26, 2014 at 9:27am

    Conkuur
    But I digress some from your latest points.

    From the LIMITED information I have seen.. Michael Brown WAS WRONG to confront – in ANY WAY – Officer Wilson.
    In NO WAY though does my viewing Brown’s actions that way mean I believe Wilson’s killing of Brown was justified.
    Have you Conkuur seen ALL the evidence? NO!. Then how can you be SO CERTAIN the taking of Brown’s life was justified?
    If it was your unarmed son that was killed by the authorities would you be SO CERTAIN then?

    You (and many others) are basing your conclusion of justifiable on the ‘verdict’ of a Grand Jury – a jury that did NOT come to a unanimous decision. A Grand Jury that operated like almost no other grand jury. A GJ directly led by an individual MANY say has DEEP roots and sympathies with the police.
    If YOU were on the other side of that particular govt operation (and you fully trust all such govt operations – right Conkuur?) would you still be so certain in its conclusion?

    And besides all that… There are other investigations (governmental and private) ongoing. Are you so certain each of those will come to the same conclusion as this Grand Jury? OR… IF say the Federal investigation comes to a differing conclusion will you (and so many on the Right) THEN ‘turn-on’ your distrust for the govt and dismiss THAT conclusion?

    Regardless of ALL that – with this particular case… There still are far, FAR too many very similar cases like this.
    It builds Conkuur.
    Builds on the history I identified.

  • November 26, 2014 at 9:10am

    Conkuur
    What kind-of amazes me is… I come to a site like this and read post after post of folks railing against this supposed tyrannical, oppressive, liberty and freedom-taking ruler Obama and how it is time to: Make a stand and revolt against such – take America back. VERY strong TALK about taking violent and destructive action (revolution) to ‘take back America’. And yet… I NEVER see a single post by any fellow conservative condemning these VERY FREQUENT calls to a supposed necessary violent uprising. More like… Thumbs-up.
    Is that your understanding of ‘work it through the system’?

    As I have sometimes pointed out… Such is just talk. So many here talk the talk but… Are they truly willing to walk the revolution walk?
    Maybe add a long history of REAL oppression and major ongoing inequality and MAYBE that talk would turn into real (violent and destructive) action.
    Fortunately, I believe, it IS all (or mostly all) just talk – and it appears as if most (angered, mostly white, mostly conservative) folks ARE TRYING to work it through the system but…
    Is it not MOST blacks who are mostly peacefully doing the same?

    Why is it that when a black man stands defiant against the authority – and perhaps is subsequently killed for his POSSIBLY threatening defiance… That killing is FULLY justified by many on the right?
    Yet take an equally defiant law-breaking white man in NV – add lots of truly threatening white militia and… Those folks are heroes.
    How’s that work?

  • November 26, 2014 at 8:38am

    Conkuur
    While I do believe you bring up some truly valid and valuable points – there are others you offer that just leave me shaking my head.

    Why no white outrage over the for-certain SOME killings of whites by black police officers? I would suggest because:
    One: There are not nearly the disproportionate number of them as there are white (& even black) police officers killing unarmed black folks.
    Two: There is not a history of black on white oppression and racial inequality. MOST CERTAINLY the not-so-distant history of American slavery and the VERY-recent history (actually ONGOING reality) of racial inequality has a HUGE bearing on how the black community responds to matters like these.

    You fail to ‘walk in their shoes’ if you ignore this reality.

    What? Do you think if the roles were reversed – if whites had been the race so recently the victim of slavery and very real, still ongoing racial inequality that whites would not respond in similar vitriolic fashion?
    Did not whites revolt from oppression and inequality to form the U.S.?

    When a group believes the system does not equally give the group the chance to work through the system… (And when many statistics support this belief: disproportionately higher and harsher prison sentences / disproportionately higher killings by authorities / etc.) Few options remain when the system fails so miserably for so many.

    In NO WAY does that justify the violence and destruction. NOTHING (or near nothing) in my view, justifies such.

  • November 26, 2014 at 12:28am

    Conkuur
    Your entire comment – and that you FULLY accept (heck – even support?) that a young man is shot dead day by a police officer – is itself but ‘justified’ on the SUPPOSED justified actions of the police officer AND your utter unconditional acceptance that a grand jury / govt-run procedure was flawless and has ASSURED 100% NO possible guilt or accountability of ANY sort.
    (What’s the function of a Grand Jury?)

    Can you identify for me Conkuur any – ANY other govt-related ‘operation’ that you 100% stand behind and don’t question? …let alone one with multiple ‘layers’ of govt affiliation / action.

    I don’t believe you would find governmental justification for the requirement of a dog license – yet it appears you accept without question the govt-led, very potentially defendant-sympathizing ‘coached’ finding – via an almost never used grand jury procedure… of TOTAL justification for the police (govt) killing of an unarmed young adult.
    That’s REMARKABLE!

  • November 26, 2014 at 12:08am

    normbal
    I am sure you make you mother so proud.
    And you must be a hit with your church group.

  • November 26, 2014 at 12:06am

    Conkuur
    “You only care about the Blacks?”
    NO!
    “so would you be happier if we started shooting more whites and Asians? Seriously think about it.”
    SERIOUSLY think about it???
    You actually posted a question that way?
    Happier if more whites, Asians – ANYONE – shot?!?!?!!!

    “a larger police presence because that is where the crime originates … So statistically you are going to have more unjustified shootings due to the mere mathematics of a larger police presence.
    So by your logic… Say… Since young male alter boys were in an environment where MORE sexual abuse occurred (in the Roman Catholic church)… What? We should just accept that there was a disproportionate higher number of sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church ‘ community’?

    “simple mathematics” NEVER excuse ANY form of such abuse / killings of any one – even if or not such are statistically disproportionate for one group over another.

    “They need Black victimization to keep them on the liberal plantation.”
    What an utterly ignorant statement.

    “I agree with you on your explanation of justifiably homicide statistics but if you are going to argue those stats then why cite the govt stats of police on Black shootings? You can’t have it both ways.”
    I do not understand what you mean.

    Stats are based on “real facts”. Stats can then subsequently be USED / manipulated but… Their factual basis remains.

    “All this is designed to separate races by those in power”
    Oh you’ve got to be joking – right?
    Conspiracy thinker???

  • November 25, 2014 at 11:38pm

    truebluepatriot
    I submit that I am in almost total agreement with your entire post.
    That said…
    I’d like to ask if you are a policeman or other person of similar authority?
    The reason I ask is because… We may ALL individually do just what, or very similar to what you presented but… ONLY the police and others of similar authority have the legal authorization to ‘stop’ any one of the rest of us and demand other actions of us – as a ‘representative’ of the rest of us – as paid-by-us enforcers of ‘our’ rules of law.

    And so…
    When, in essence, such folks are: ‘Rpresentatives’ of us.. Paid by ‘us’… ‘Trained’ by ‘us’… Their standards of conduct set by ‘us’…
    Should we not only be ABLE to hold them accountable to those / certain standards BUT ALSO should it not be our DUTY TO hold them accountable to the standards ‘we’ set?

    And when at least a segment of ‘us’ feel (and it doesn’t matter if segment large or small) feel that SOME (FEW) of these representatives of us are disproportionately ‘operating beyond the standards’ – and such is OFTEN supported by the statistics – THEN… Is it not – or at least should it not be the responsibility of ALL of us to hold these important representatives accountable?

    Why does it seem that the Right does NOT TRUST pretty much any/every segment of our govt and other ‘Authorities’ – and YET… In cases of Authorities Killing Blacks… Many on the Right seem to fully accept – even support such… Authorities killing blacks – ?!?!?!

  • [-1] November 25, 2014 at 10:41pm

    Conkuur: “…no one cares if a white kid gets capped because it doesn’t further an agenda,”
    Speak for yourself.
    Sounds like you are TRYING to equate a lack of ‘voiced outrage’ for such other supposedly justified killings with those some others believe are NOT justified killings.

    I am so glad you KNOW and are so unequivocally assured that a govt entity – you know, of that same govt that most on the Right wouldn’t trust if THEIR dog’s life depended on it – got and properly presented to a grand jury ALL the facts of this case – and with that govt assurance you can, with such a clean conscience, shout out about how ‘justice was served”.
    How “justice” IS the killing of an unarmed 18 year old by a supposedly well-trained professional.

    So “the biggest tragedy is” NOT the taking of another life but a lack of verbal condemnation of a certain OTHER (proven AND supposed / accused) behavior?

  • November 25, 2014 at 10:19pm

    Conkuur
    “Brown is one of at least four unarmed black men who died at the hands of police in the last month alone. There are many more cases from years past. … Federal databases that track police use of force or arrest-related deaths paint only a partial picture. Police department data is scattered and fragmented. No agency appears to track the number of police shootings or killings of unarmed victims in a systematic, comprehensive way. Here’s some of what we do know: … A 2007 investigation found “fatal police shootings in 10 major cities, … there were “a disproportionately high number of African Americans among police shooting victims in every one, particularly in New York, San Diego, and Las Vegas.” … “It’s a culture in which people suspected of minor crimes are met with “overwhelmingly major, often lethal, use of force,”
    … “Police shootings of unarmed black people aren’t limited to poor or predominantly black communities. … These killings occur against black people of varying socioeconomic backgrounds: “Actors, professional football players, college students, high school grads. They happen to black cops, too.”
    “USA Today … average … 96 cases of a white police officer killing a black person each year between 2006 and 2012, based on justifiable homicides reported to the FBI by local police.”

    “justifiable” killings.
    Justifiable?
    Yet the Right who almost never believes the govt can justify ANYTHING they do… Fully accepts ALL these killings as justified?!?

  • November 25, 2014 at 9:52pm

    makingout:
    Not actually sure what the “it” is you are referring to – I assume ‘it’ includes at least the Profiling / Targeting / and Harassment you followed with but…
    Could you clarify?
    IF P / T / H … Could you clarify IF / Why you believe the rights and liberties of an ENTIRE RACE should be compromised – no, abused – because of the actions of but a segment / a few of the overall race population?
    Could you clarify why the constitutional rights of one race (well actually – race AND religion: Muslims too – if some of the conservatives posting around here had their way. But I digress…)

    Why are the Constitutional rights of one race (and religion) to be blatantly violated – based on skin color and the actions of but a minority segment of that race (and religion) population?

    When EVER is any ‘blanket’ targeting, and far worse, illegal harassing – by our nation’s ‘authorities’ – towards a certain race (actually ANY race or religion) … justified?

    Do you accept the blanket infringement of our (communication) privacy rights by the likes of the NSA and others?
    So why would you accept blanket infringement of other rights – of a particular race group?

  • [2] November 25, 2014 at 8:39pm

    HorseCrazy
    So who does NOT deserve to be forgiven?

    And note… There is a HUGE difference between one who does harm and does not repent and does not seek forgiveness… And those who are harmed and who are willing to forgive.
    So with that clarified…
    From those harmed… Who does not deserve to be forgiven?

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  • [54] November 25, 2014 at 8:33pm

    I do hope you are reading these post Mr. Beck.
    This is your base.
    You should be so proud.

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  • [-2] November 25, 2014 at 8:29pm

    Mil-Dot
    Anybody with common sense would realize that to apply stereotypes to ANY group is but a disingenuous evaluation of some at the offense of all.

    Look Mil-Dot… A squirrel!

    Just to note Mil-Dot… MOST people can ‘look both ways’ (and then assess when appropriate to proceed.) But maybe you’re one of those ‘drivers’ that can only watch the road ahead and is blind to the other action around him.
    You should probably stay off the road then.

  • [-2] November 25, 2014 at 8:21pm

    Ahhhhh. The ‘good’ old days.

    If you sincerely ‘miss’ the days of authorities randomly shooting at ALL rioters – regardless of if it was just a couple / few who were actually “burning and looting’…
    You need professional help.

    Looters… Destroyers of others’ property… And ALL those others rioters ‘caught-up’ in the criminal – but not life-threatening’ actions of a few…
    Their actions / they ALL warrant being randomly gunned down by authorities – right Taxed2Death?

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