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Hawking Says God Not Needed for Creation
September 2, 2010 at 1:57pm
Tomee: Yeah. That’s kinda the point, and the fault with the syllogism.
Hawking Says God Not Needed for Creation
September 2, 2010 at 1:56pm
The “comparison” is to the argument. The argument is that “complexity”, i.e., the complexity of the watch necessarily implies a “watchmaker.“ The ”watchmaker” being even more complex than the created watch, necessarily implies a “watchmaker maker,” i.e., God.
The creator being more complex than the created (the watchmaker more complex than the watch, God being more complex than the watchmaker) necessarily implies that God is more complex than than Man as Man is more complex than the watch, requiring (under the syllogism of this argument) that God, too, is created.
It’s a stupid logic syllogism. Always has been. Always will be.
It comes down to “first cause.” Can’t get past “first cause.”
EITHER the universe has always been here OR it was created. This is necessary from one of the most elemental laws of physics, i.e., the law of conservation of matter and energy — no matter can be created or destroyed. You CANNOT get something from nothing or nothing from something.
The very existence of the universe calls this law into question. If it “spontaneously generated” then you CAN get something from nothing. If it didn’t spontaneously generate, then it can’t exist unless it was created (somehow) and whatever (or whomever) created it had to have matter (or energy) from which to create it. (Which, of course, brings us back to “first cause” as to where THAT matter or energy came from).
This new notion from Hawkings, like the “we live in a black hole” or whatever new metaphysical “theory” of the universe purporting to explain the unexplainable is what my brother likes to call the “Purple unicorns flying out of my butt” theories put out there by today’s “scientists.” They can no more prove or disprove these theories than can someone disprove that purple unicorns do, indeed, fly out of my butt.
Hawking Says God Not Needed for Creation
September 2, 2010 at 1:10pm
God, being even more complex than the Man he created…
Thus, who created God?
If that’s the argument, that is…