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• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 13, 2012 at 2:34am

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  One last point I failed to mention, Daniel was a poetic prophet as most Hebrew was written in. Therefore patterns were used in writing styles as any poetry is. 

  The first part of each verse speak of Messiah and His works, the second part of each verse speaks of the end results for Jerusalem and its people.

  Verse 25
  1st part-Seven weeks and 62 weeks until Messiah
  2nd part-How Jerusalem will be rebuilt

  Verse 26
  1st part-Messiah to be “cut off”
  2nd part-Jerusalem and the Sanctuary will be destroyed

  Verse 27
  1st part-The covenant and the sacrifice of Messiah
  2nd part-The abomination of desolation in Jerusalem

  As you can see verse 25 accounts weeks to bring Messiah and then temple rebuilding. Verse 26 details weeks till crucifixion and then Temple destruction afterwards. Verse 27 accounts the final week, crucifixion and covenant in detail and detail abomination of desolation afterward. 

  Even today, physical Israel (land) is flooded and overran with Gentiles as well as wars and conflicts daily and it has been that way since the Romans came in 70 AD historically speaking. Just something to ponder. Stay safe! 

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 13, 2012 at 2:02am

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  So here is the bigger question: if physical Israel of today (land mass) has zero effect on believers in Jesus Christ salvations, why does “Christianity” teach and push it’s importance as if it does? Knowing Jesus Christ wants no human to kill in His name just as we properly denounce Islamists who claim it‘s ok to kill in their god’s name, why does “Christianity” urge to do so for physical Israel (land mass) when again, it has zero to do with salvation and contradicts Jesus’s teaching? Please know I hate know one, and I say this as some in “Christianity” would instantly say “anti-Semite!” for simply questioning with boldness over this topic, but I do think out of the box. Just how God made me I suppose. I believe and stand for Israel to have a right to exist just as any other Nation of the world and race of people. 

  You are correct, once we stop discussing God’s Word, Satan wins. I do not claim to know all in regards to God’s Word but I do know what I believe and enjoy much conversing with others of the same respect to learn and as well as help understand. I appreciate you much and know I always check back on previous posts to see if any replies have been made. I hope you are well and stay blessed and I look forward to conversing with you over God’s Word. 

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 13, 2012 at 1:46am

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  As for the “He” in Daniel 9:27, Jesus confirmed the covenant with the Jewish people for the entire last “week” or 7 years, from anointment to Stephan’s stoning. In the middle of the week (3 1/2 yrs) His crucifixion caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease as he was the last. For overspreading of abominations (ungodliness, rejection) Jesus, the Son of God made Jerusalem desolate, (Deserted, joyless, grim) until the end (consummation) when the determined (judgement) is poured out (bowls). Daniel 7 and 8 both give 9 keys a piece to the ID of the “Anti-Christ” and neither’s match anything depicted in Daniel 9. Something to study and pray about if you choose to. 

  As for my inquire on “If I believe Jesus is not the Son of God and you do, do we worship the same God”: I was curious as this is something I find strikingly odd and being someone who seems well versed I was curious to your thoughts. I believe as you, Jesus is the only way to the Father, but Judaism and Islam followers both reject Jesus Christ and both claim to embrace the “God of Abraham”, therefore, why do a lot of “Christian” faiths say Judaism has the same God while Islam does not. My faith believes neither worship the same God as those who worship the Father who sent His Son Jesus Christ.

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 13, 2012 at 1:39am

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  @Concernative

  I have either failed in properly articulating my belief or a misunderstanding has occurred in this character limited environment, but Amillennialism is not my belief. My faith holds a 1000 yr reign, just not on Earth. We also believe in “Tribulation” just not a 7 yr one. We believe 70 weeks are completed and was prophecy of Christ coming the first time I’m sure you know that by now. Christ will come and rapture (not secretly) the dead in Christ 1st, and transform the few living 2nd. Non-believers will die by His light and birds will feast on their bodies for 1000 yrs here while we (the saints) reign in the place Jesus went to prepare for us. Satan will be bound on Earth (he was already casted out of Heaven and with every non believer dead he will be locked on Earth with nothing to tempt/do aka prison). After 1000 yrs, we come back in New Jerusalem and the dead non-believers raised allowing Satan to tempt some for the tree of life found in NJ. Hellfire will devour them and final judgement will be completed. Satan and deaths are cast in lake of fire and New heaven and earth are created and we live happily ever after. My faith sees us currently on the last “woe” before the final trumpet and should see the mark enforcement soon followed by the loud cry and 144,000 which is a mimic of judges 7 and Gideon’s army. 

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 11, 2012 at 11:02pm

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  @Concernative

  I want to thank you, thank you for knowing what you believe as well as being able to articulate that belief. The same exact beliefs you hold, I use to teach. There are things I still disagree with you on, but I will honorably call you my brother in faith and hold high respect for the love you have displayed. 

  As for the 70 weeks, if we are to begin our timeframe from when the call to build the temple as said in Daniel 9, and you agree of the date, i do believe you can see my faiths understanding of this prophecy. I cannot think of any reason for you to refute this view other than it simply isn‘t what you have been taught and it’s hard to change. I get that, because I did exactly that. This one prophecy is the key to unlocking and disproving so much that is falsely taught. I implore you to pray over it and question it with boldness, for God would want nothing less. 

  As for Romans 11, I will briefly say a few words; in verse 25 it says “blindness in part”, why? The mystery to not be ignorant of is what? Paul then went on to quote Isaiah of a past prophecy of Jesus coming to save Israel (Israel being those who repent as Jacob received the name)….So could the mystery that was concerning the Gentiles be why they were being brought into salvation now and why “part” of the Jews rejected it but the other parts like Paul embraced it? Please think about that. 

  Regardless of your tribulation view, you are a follower of Christ and that is what is most

• Beck Says ‘Naysayers’ Proven Right: After U.S. Helped Muslim Bro’hood Gain Power, Egypt Buddies up to Iran

  April 11, 2012 at 11:01am

  In reply to donh2.

  Do not think this is the result of Left or Right alone, this is the result of Progressives found in both parties. This is the result from the doctrine of intervention, by the US, into all Worldly affairs of foreign Nations. Do keep in mind Democrats and Republicans alike have advocated, authorized, and voted to send money, troops, and weapons to support these groups for almost a century now. 

  Muslim Brotherhood is a Sunni proxy group who‘s allegiance is to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia who’s funding comes straight from the coffers of KSA, Jordan, UAE and all other Sunni countries alike. MB are responsible for the offsprings of Hamas, Al Qaeda, and several other militant groups. 

  In the battle for the Islamic caliphate, it is not hard for one to see the US practicing the doctrine “enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Iran (Shiite) has been the bullseye for US intervention since the overthrow of the US controlled Shaw. KSA detests Iran (Persians) and has yielded US aid hands over fist in the form of US soldiers lives, US taxpayers dollars, as well as all the military equipment they would take. The US has sided with the KSA Arab Sunni sect, Muslim Brotherhood, to help counter Iran Shiite Persians. 

  It is no “coincidence” KSA has called for a “super Arab state” (Caliphate) to include all ME countries including Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and other Arab spring toppled countries.   

  We have no one to blame but ourselves for voting for politicians who support these cor

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 11, 2012 at 2:19am

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  @Doc Green

  70 weeks – Detailed verse by verse is presented in this thread. If what you believe is correct, you will have no problem cutting and pasting it showing what you believe to be true, is true. Please do not let it offend you I just do not want to take your word on it. I prefer to see God’s Word saying it. I have shown historical and biblical evidence backing up my belief disproving yours in regards to 7 year tribulation based on Daniel’s 70 weeks. 

  Damascus – 2 Kings 16:9 ” And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin.” 
  The above is a biblical and historical account. You can either choose to believe it, or not. I do. Uninhabitable is not found in any of those verses, only imaginations of those who do not believe the above, aka added text for an agenda. 

  Egypt - The word that the Lord spake to Jeremiah the prophet, how Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon should come and smite the land of Egypt. Declare ye in Egypt, and publish in Migdol, and publish in Noph and in Tahpanhes: say ye, Stand fast, and prepare thee; for the sword shall devour round about thee. (Jeremiah 46:13-14 KJV)
  The above is biblical and historical account. You can either choose to believe it, or not. I do. 

  One last suggestion, please stop projecting! 

  Next question please? 

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 11, 2012 at 12:54am

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  @Doc Green

  I have not “put anyone down” for belief in 7 year tribulation. I have told them it’s false, because it is. 

  You again are not comprehending what I write. I show Daniel’s 70 weeks as prophecy of the 1st coming of Jesus Christ, His crucifixion, and the New covenant opened to Gentiles, nothing more. That does NOT mean everything YOU tie into your 7 year tribulation has or has not occurred. That’s you assuming or putting words into my mouth, which as a follower of Christ, you should not do. Stop. 

  Once you can take the time to compose a sensible post, I’ll gladly try and answer any of the questions you ask. I will NOT respond to a childish emotional non comprehensible rant. I’m not going to waste my time with that. 

  Yes I can answer when in my faith the millennial kingdom occurs. When the unsecret Rapture occurs. When Armageddon occurs. Who the 1st beast is. 2nd beast is. Seals that have occurred. Trumpets that have been blown. And much much more. But you really do not seem interested in conversing but more ranting and raving. Heck, you can’t even answer simple questions over what the Bible says that is posted right before you. 

  You posted you believe Obama is the anti-Christ. That sums up your understanding for me. Have a good night and best wishes. 

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 10, 2012 at 11:05pm

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  @Doc Green

  You must be ignorant of the fact how one becomes captive and what happens to the city upon capture in those days. So you know, they burnt it to the ground in those days. Ruins. Secondly, archeological finds IN Damascus report of multiple times in which the City was destroyed. Roman artifacts are found about 10 ft deep or so of current city level. You know not what you speak about on Damascus. Do some research and we will talk. 

  Please show where in the verse it says uninhabitable? And once you cannot, again, because you are parroting some preacher, again, realize you are doing nothing constructive for God. 

  Again, stop putting words into my mouth. I never said anything was coincidence. You have a problem with either comprehension or telling the truth. You pick which one it is but stop putting words into my mouth. 

  Again, respectfully, learn to articulate what you are saying. If you leave our conversation with anything, please leave with that. A person will never be able to understand you and you will never reach the heart and minds of anyone ranting random thoughts jammed into one big mess. 

  Simple question: You believe Obama is the anti-Christ, right? Yes or no.

• Are Iran’s Actions Setting the Groundwork for the Fulfillment of Biblical Armageddon?

  April 10, 2012 at 10:48pm

  In reply to SquidVetOhio.

  @Concernative

  I must differ with you that “Israel” was still held in Assyria. Many scholars teach Israelis regrouped back into Judah and upon return from Babylon you have Israel the Nation, not just Judah. 

  “After” describes when and was used for a purpose. To ignore “before”, “during”, or “after” would be poor studying of God’s Word. Do you ignore these words thru the whole Bible or just in this one prophecy? When the Bible says “when” something will happen it is important and isn’t to be ignored or called a “leap of faith”. 

  Tribulation will occur, tribulations and a “great tribulation” but nothing of 7 years was EVER taught. NEVER EVER. Jesus detailed the Romans coming in 70 AD but did not mention 7 years of tribulation nor did any Apostle. Why? 

  Hitler was horrific but paled in comparison to the millions slaughtered, tortured, and murdered at the hands of the 1st beast. History is lost on so many and how quickly thru generations do we forget or are not even taught main events that occurred. 

  It saddens me so many fail to see what is blatantly infornt of them and forget what their own faiths founders taught and embrace the very evil they preached against. 

  One last simple question: if I say Jesus is not the Son of God and you do, do we worship the same God? 

  I do appreciate you and the good dialogue very much.