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• This Is Where the American People Stand on Legalizing Gay Marriage

  May 12, 2012 at 4:47am

  In reply to LibertyorDie2011.

  Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution for anyone, hetero or homosexual. States have chosen to take a religious based definition of marriage and impose that view on all Americans with the exceptions of a handful of states. To say two, or five consenting adults can’t enter into the contract of marriage and all the legal rights and stipulations associated with it is discriminatory. Again, so you don’t take my words out of context, if these relationships violate the civil rights of those involved, they should not be validated.

  And spare me the indignation, please. The civil rights laws guaranteed all citizens equivalent rights that were previously denied to one group. In this case, tax-paying, consenting adults are being denied the freedoms of estate planning, death benefits, employer benefits, etc that hetero couples enjoy now. These couples are in loving relationships and are as committed to one another as hetero couples, but the rights are denied to them based on the religious objections of the majority. This should not be allowed in the US.

• This Is Where the American People Stand on Legalizing Gay Marriage

  May 12, 2012 at 4:26am

  In reply to LibertyorDie2011.

  The original introduction of this argument, go back and read it, was if you allow A, you’ve now opened the door to “who knows what”.

  So A, will lead to B, will lead to C,… Z.

  I said this is not necessarily true because any of the steps between B and Z could be invalidated due to their individual merits.

  I also said that all these groups have the right to challenge a definition of marriage that didn’t exist until 1996. But, in the case of polygamy, their challenge may not be validated based on the civil rights violations of historical polygamist relationships. If so, the slippery slope has been avoided. It won’t be me making this decision, but the courts.

  I never said any of these groups don’t have, or don’t have equal rights to challenge DOMA.

  All of these groups are being discriminated against by a narrow definition of marriage, but, for the umpteenth time, if their view of marriage imposes on the civil rights of those involved, it shouldn’t be allowed, in my opinion.

• This Is Where the American People Stand on Legalizing Gay Marriage

  May 12, 2012 at 3:42am

  In reply to LibertyorDie2011.

  Also, to use your logic that recognizing homosexuals (or polygamists, if approved) rights to marriage is “imposing” something upon our culture is the equivalent of saying that the civil rights laws of the 60′s “imposed” a black view of what being an American means on white folks.

• This Is Where the American People Stand on Legalizing Gay Marriage

  May 12, 2012 at 3:25am

  In reply to LibertyorDie2011.

  From the start, Ksrtet, you have denied that slippery slope is a logical fallacy, a fact that everyone but you accepts. So, when the OP posited allowing gay marriage would start the slippery slope to Pandora’s Box, I called them on it.

  Anyone who’s a tax paying citizen has the right to challenge any law, even polygamists, as I’ve already stated, but their challenges will need to be reviewed on their individual merits. In the case of polygamy, there are historical issues with this philosophy thtl could keep it from being written into law. Maybe, maybe not, but we’ll see when the challenge is presented.

  The slippery slope, being a logical fallacy, could be true, but could also not be true if the intermediate steps are not validated based on their own merits.

  Again, I find it hard to believe you’re not being intentionally obtuse if you understand the slippery slope logical fallacy and how it was originally used introduced into this thread.

• Do You Know Anybody Like Obama? Beck’s Latest Expose Could Go Down in History

  May 12, 2012 at 2:16am

  In reply to DSTSS2010.

  Avenger and Used,

  I responded to the poster who asked for proof the Beck has ever lied or best case, twisted the truth. Obama has nothing to do with the conversation on this post, and I’m not defending him, so please stop trying to deflect the conversation.

  What I posted was not my own, admittedly, but what can be found with the simplest of Internet searches. So, if Beck claimed the cost of some doors were more than they actually were, claiming I‘m grasping at straws does not excuse Beck for twisting the truth to support the narrative he’s trying to sell you. Also, nothing in Beck’s statements on birthright citizenship were confined to only modern, advanced societies so stop trying to rationalize his statements to satisfy your cognitive dissonance.

  So, call me all the names you want if it makes you feel better. If Mr. Beck is your Pied Piper, follow him wherever he leads you. If you’re a follower and it makes you happy, don’t question Mr. Beck and be content to be a follower.

• Do You Know Anybody Like Obama? Beck’s Latest Expose Could Go Down in History

  May 11, 2012 at 4:23pm

  In reply to DSTSS2010.

  USA,

  I do not condone anyone playing on peoples’ fear and prejudices with demagoguery or untruths. But, it’s going to happen from all sides, so as an audience, we need to have the intellectual curiosity and critical thinking skills to question all of it. Even if it’s something we may like to hear.

  Nothing should be blindly accepted.

• Do You Know Anybody Like Obama? Beck’s Latest Expose Could Go Down in History

  May 11, 2012 at 3:27pm

  In reply to DSTSS2010.

  And yes, it is exceedingly difficult to look at the links that were cut and pasted (and yes, broken), see that Politifact is listed as the address, go to their website, type Glenn Beck into the search bar and see what pops up. I apologize for thinking that was beyond your ability.

• Do You Know Anybody Like Obama? Beck’s Latest Expose Could Go Down in History

  May 11, 2012 at 3:17pm

  In reply to DSTSS2010.

  Why should I give you a handout when I can teach you how to fish? The point is, if you do a little bit of searching, instead of blindly, and apparently ignorantly, disputing any claim that Mr. Beck has ever twisted the truth, you’re really not following Mr. Beck’s advice and doing your own research.

  So, take it and run with it if you choose. If not, you have the right to live in your own little bubble.

• Do You Know Anybody Like Obama? Beck’s Latest Expose Could Go Down in History

  May 11, 2012 at 1:53pm

  In reply to DSTSS2010.

  Here’s what 30 seconds of searching on the internet turns up. However, since Beck has convinced you that he speaks the truth, you’re probably not going to believe the sources. Please feel free to call me a troll if that makes you feel better.

  1.
  He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he ‘checked’. John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn’t even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on one.

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
  http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pinot…

  2,
  Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
  The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.

  3.
  In June Beck lied when he said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do:
  http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/…
  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/1...

  4.
  Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population.”
  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/…

• This Is Where the American People Stand on Legalizing Gay Marriage

  May 11, 2012 at 12:14am

  In reply to LibertyorDie2011.

  Kstret, my point is perfectly clear and just because you don’t understand it, I’m not explaining it further. You’re hung up on same sex marriage being “imposed” upon people and those are your words, not mine. Recognizing that people have the same rights as others is very different from “imposing”. Also, none of my statements ever say a polygamist will be forced into marriage. Again, your words.

  I think Encinom is correct in that you aren’t reading, or maybe not comprehending posts before you respond to them. You‘re the one from the start who stated slippery slope is not a logical fallacy and you’re dead wrong. Look it up for yourself as you obviously not listening to me, but denying facts does not make them go away.