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Will Cain: Separating Emotion From Facts in the Gun Control Debate

Dec. 27, 2012 11:55am

Will Cain is an analyst for TheBlaze and a contributor to CNN. In his role for The Blaze, he provides commentary and analysis on the 2012 presidential election and other major political events. Cain frequently contributes to a wide range of CNN shows and has also been an analyst for National Review where he hosted the video interview series “Off the Page.” He has interviewed guests such as Sen. Jon Kyl, and UN Ambassador John Bolton, and moderated debates between National Review and The Nation. Prior to hosting and producing, Cain financed, bought and sold two digital and print media companies. Quince Media was a Hispanic media company that garnered Cain the accolade of 40 Most Influential People in the Magazine Industry (Folio 2007). Cain Communications was a community newspaper group in Texas sold to Stephens Media. Cain is a licensed attorney in Texas.

Will Cain is a regular panelist for “Real News” on TheBlazeTV Weekdays at 7pm

It’s understandable that, after something as horrible as Newtown, the public debate would turn to laws and gun control. As Jonah Goldberg wrote on NRO:

The human need to “do something” is primal after moments like this, not just for those in mourning but for those who want to help those in mourning. Most of us who’ve lost a loved one know someone — or perhaps ourselves — who had to cook, or organize, or clean, or plan or do anything that lets us grasp the handrail of sanity or hold at bay the uncompromising vacuum of grief, if only temporarily. Likewise, we’ve known people who’ve implored us: What can I do? Is there anything I can do? But, often, trying to translate human impulses into government responses is the source of great folly.

And so we begin to blame and debate gun laws. We do so, hungover from the emotion, of the moment. But when our proposed solutions are laws we have to soberly analyze whether the laws are needed, whether they would work, and whether they impose upon our rights.

Violence in America is the lowest it’s been in 40 years.  The chart below, from NYU Assistant Professor of Politics and Public Policy Patrick Egan, shows that the murder rate per 100,000 population has been cut in half since the 1970s.

Will Cain: Separating Emotion From Facts in the Gun Control Debate

At the same time, the total number of homicides by handguns has dropped from its peak in the 1990s.

Will Cain: Separating Emotion From Facts in the Gun Control Debate

 

Still, despite an overall drop in the murder rate and gun violence, we get the sense that mass shooting sprees like in Newtown and Aurora are on the rise.  The Washington Post reported this week that six of the deadliest 12 shootings in US history have occurred since 2007.  By “deadliest” the Post is ranking these incidents by the number of victims.

While 2012 has been a horrible year, data through 2010 suggests that both the number of incidents and the number of victims from mass shootings is declining.  The Associated Press this week reported:

Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century. (emphasis added)

And USA Today showed that the number of incidents, victims, and victims under the age of 12 declined from 2006-2010. (I would like to see this data over a longer period of time.)

Will Cain: Separating Emotion From Facts in the Gun Control Debate

The point of all this is not to suggest that there is some acceptable level of murder.  But to remember that laws are sweeping and blunt, and the facts and data we use to support those laws should be equally sweeping and blunt. And the blunt truth is that despite the rash of nightmarish stories broadcast to us from Aurora and Newtown, violence, gun violence, gun homicides, mass killings, and victims are down over time.

As we evaluate what we should do, it’s equally important to contemplate what we should not do – and we should bring facts to the debate and not simply react based on our emotions.

 

Comments (71)

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  • SGT Rock
    Dec. 28, 2012 at 2:44am

    I’m sick of us the common citizen taking it in the shorts while the self proclaimed elites et whatever they want.

    Please view and sign my petition
    http://wh.gov/QwMy

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    • Tekmage3000
      Dec. 28, 2012 at 11:20am

      SGT Rock, I wish I thought of such an obvious (and great) petition!

      I added my signature to the petition.

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      Tekmage3000  
  • vacayooper
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 9:26pm

    Every gun owner, in every state, should organize a protest at each capitol in the US. We have to use the tactics of the left, the signs should just be lists of facts, available to us all. We don’t have to be rowdy, we have to be resolute. Its worth a day off, or several days off for that matter. Once thats done move it to Washington, until we get exposure we will not have a voice. This must not be organized by the NRA or any other gun supporting group. It could turn out to be a problem in some areas but a mass of people supporting the rights granted to them by the constitution will command attention. To do nothing is the same as supporting the opposition. We do not commit crimes, we are law abiding citizens that have to get off our butts and defend what we consider important. Otherwise many of us we will end up turning in our fire arms and be recognized for what we are, cowards.

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    • wraith67
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 10:31pm

      It wouldn’t matter if we had 10 million people on the mall; the press wouldn’t cover it.

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      wraith67  
  • mcmeador
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 8:58pm

    That’s a good gun in the cover picture… Smith & Wesson M&P. I have a full-size .40 caliber.

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    mcmeador  
  • dealer@678
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 8:51pm

    I only watch Real News because of Will. The guy reeks of good common sense AND he’s from Texas

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  • rwinestock
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 7:19pm

    Why, still, no mass connections with SSRI usage and mass murders? What kind of weight do bigPharma company CEO’s from places like Ely Lilly and Pfeizer have in kahootz with congressman who turn a blind eye? SSRI’s (anti-depressant) market is currently $71 BILLION in this country. Over 95% of these mass murders, going back to the 80′s and 90′s when they are introduced on mass scale are directly connected to dosage changes upward or downward.

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    • DaddyDave
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 7:59pm

      FINALLY people are starting to copy the records from the DOJ website that show the statistics. I’ve been pointing these out here for a while now. Why did Will leave off the second chart from the 2nd graph on this page labeled “Homicide offending by race, 1976-2005″ and overlay it with the same chart from same department you addressed above in chart “Homicide by weapon type”, there is a trend that is undeniable.

      You would think the “Homicide offending by race” for blacks was the same chart as the “Homicide by weapon type” of handgun.

      http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

      When we write gun laws, lets look at the data, ALL the data.

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      DaddyDave  
  • Proud Stray Dog
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 7:09pm

    I’ll give up my “baby killing guns”……..

    Just as soon as they ban baby killing “doctors”.

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  • RoDogg
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 6:28pm

    HA HA ….

    Separating emotion from facts! Thats Priceless!!!

    If Americans could separate their emotions….. Obozo would have never stood a chance

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    RoDogg  
  • John.Galt
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 5:40pm

    You have already lost the argument. You cannot convince a lib with facts, to them facts are irrelevant. I like to piss them off by saying, “Man, if only the principal or the teachers had guns, this maniac could have been stopped before killing all those innocent kids.” “Man, if they enforced the death penalty, those 2 firefighters would be alive today.” “Man, if only the military people at Ft. Hood were allowed to carry their sidearms, that FANATICAL ISLAMIST TERRORIST could have been stopped.” “Man, had that movie theater not been a gun free zone, the batman killer could have been stopped.”

    Forget the facts. Make it look like they are MORONS (they are…) if they try to argue against you.

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  • Gladileftcalifornia
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 4:55pm

    If you want to see a liberal’s head explode just throw facts at them. They can’t stand it.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:55pm

    It doesn’t matter how many laws the lawbreakers in DC create to infringe on our right to bear arms because that right wasn’t given to us by man so it can’t be taken away by man. Every government all over the world will eventually become tyrannical so why should we be any different? The government will try to strip us of our right to bear arms just like they did with the fourth amendment and illegal searches every time we fly. They’ll take as much as we allow them to take and over the years there’s been a lot of taking on the governments part,we’ve become docile to allow an illegal agency TSA to violate our fourth amendment right and sexually assault us simply because we want to fly. The BATF is another illegal agency,they’ve been given authority to regulate firearms something that’s forbidden with the creation of the second amendment. All of these laws,regulations and fees are unconstitutional yet we allow the lawbreakers in DC to get away with running roughshod over all our rights guaranteed in the constitution and I think it may be too late to reverse course,we’ve given them too much power and control over us and I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think I am.

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    • gyro
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 3:37pm

      it is to late
      BUT
      In canada a strong conservative coverment has pushed back gun control
      check it out and how the left uses the courts to fight back
      Its good education for USA

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      gyro  
    • rangerskippy
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 3:42pm

      someone Tell Will that Sen Feinstein does not agree with his facts:

      I say we show Feinstein a copy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

      Do you think she knows that of all murders last year in the US, more were done with knives, than all types of rifles?

      Do you think she knows that blacks make up 12.5% of the population, and do half the nation’s murders? If we lower black murder rates to the same as whites, we will lower the nation’s murder rate by almost 40% and save a whole lot of black lives.

      Do you think she knows that we in America own 88 guns per 100 people, but there are 25 nations with higher murder rates via guns? Do you think she knows the in Honduras; they own 6.6 guns per 100 people but lead the world in murder?

      Do you think she knows that the European countries with the lowest amount of guns have higher murder rates? Do you think she knows the in England and Australia, when they took away handguns and “assault rifles” the murder rates went up, and have continued to go up?

      Do you think she knows that the cities in America with the most gun control have the highest murder rates?

      Do you think she knows the not one mass murderer in the US was an NRA member, shot in 4H or CMP, or had a hunter safety card? Do you think she knows that the majority of mass murders and school shooters were very addicted to violent video games?

      Do you think she knows violent crime is intrinsically connect to welfare?

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    • Max Power 1
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 3:56pm

      Right you are. However, the link below will give all of you the real plan this regime has in store for us. It is VERY disturbing to say the least. I have verified this with multiple reliable sources. It’s true, it’s real, it’s coming. SOON. Buckle up guys, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride. Heaven help us all.

      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

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    • environmentalandawake
      Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:15pm

      @rangerskippy Yes, I think she knows all of that! Her agenda has nothing to do with violence reduction, and everything to do with populus control!!!

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  • OJMDC
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:50pm

    Conservatives should not be trying to convince or argue a point and only recite the 2nd Amendment.

    Any legislation or language that remotely encroaches upon keeping and bearing arms is infringement. If a person has ask or ponder if an action or law infringes, it likely does and is therefore Un-Constitutional!

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  • Lotus503
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:45pm

    Hmm…since 2007? You mean since right before Mr. Obama took the Presidency? Maybe I’m the only one…but does anyone else see a parallel here?

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  • Blazer58
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:46pm

    People do not start out with the search for facts. They start out with an opinion. Indeed, to ask goverment,to go search out the facts about a particular situation is often a prescription for delusion, because they will simply look for the facts that fit the conclusion they have already reached .And no one has ever failed to find the facts he is looking for. If real facts where used this discussion on gums would be mute.

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  • rangerskippy
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:14pm

    Tell Will that Feinstein does not agree with his facts:

    I say we show Feinstein a copy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    Do you think she knows that of all murders last year in the US, more were done with knives, than all types of rifles?

    Do you think she knows that blacks make up 12.5% of the population, and do half the nation’s murders? If we lower black murder rates to the same as whites, we will lower the nation’s murder rate by almost 40% and save a whole lot of black lives.

    Do you think she knows that we in America own 88 guns per 100 people, but there are 25 nations with higher murder rates via guns? Do you think she knows the in Honduras; they own 6.6 guns per 100 people but lead the world in murder?

    Do you think she knows that the European countries with the lowest amount of guns have higher murder rates? Do you think she knows the in England and Australia, when they took away handguns and “assault rifles” the murder rates went up, and have continued to go up?

    Do you think she knows that the cities in America with the most gun control have the highest murder rates?

    Do you think she knows the not one mass murderer in the US was an NRA member, shot in 4H or CMP, or had a hunter safety card? Do you think she knows that the majority of mass murders and school shooters were very addicted to violent video games?

    Do you think she knows violent crime is intrinsically connect to welfare?

    Do you think she knows that Hitler, Stalin,

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    • schroeder123
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:51pm

      RangerSkippy, Right On.
      Impeach all the commies, Polosi Obamamama and all the other left winged bastards.

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    • taintso
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:14pm

      The rates all climbed after civil rights, political correctness, affirmative action, and etc social reforms. and then start to calm down. I think we can expect an increase again as a result of Obama’s class warfare remember these trends tend to follow by about 5 years. And that isn’t done by guns.

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    • rangerskippy
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 3:40pm

      ENCINOM

      You seem unable to differentiate between realism and racism.

      When libs begin to lose an argument on facts, history, loigic, critical thinking, and so on they step back, and declare one of the laws of political correctness, and scream racist, sexist, homophobe, or islamaphobe,

      Guess what dude? It aint working.

      My post was 100% factual, and you know it and so do the democrats in office, and the talking heads on the MSM.

      blacks do 50% of the nation’s murders, throwing our murder stats through the roof.

      You do not care about lowering it, and saving black lives, our you would acknowledge it even exists.

      you are find with blacks getting murdered, as long as it leads towards the confiscation of guns.

      Once again, ENCINOM may dislike guns, but what he really hates is the Bible. He knows the communists/Marxists like Obama cannot take the Bible, until they first come get the guns.

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    • mudboss
      Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:47am

      “blacks do 50% of the nation’s murders, throwing our murder stats through the roof.” And how many of those guns are registered? 20%, maybe 10%. More likely, close to none.

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      mudboss  
  • AxelPhantom
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:05pm

    Reason and logic are stable, emotions change with the wind.

    If the goal is to have a stable country, one built to last centuries and not mere weeks, then basing laws upon emotion is a good way to ensure that your country will be a mess in short order.

    The emotional appeals of the left have contributed to the fiscal mess we are in. The emotional pleas after 9-11 gave us HLS, TSA and the Patriot act.

    Get emotion out of government it has no place in the materials upon which we build our nation.

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  • bst49
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:53pm

    Now you know why firearm sales are through the roof. Facts do not mean a thing to the Media.

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    • encinom
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:38pm

      The surge in gun sales is nothing more than an emotional response of irrational, paranoid gun nuts.

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      encinom  
    • AxelPhantom
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:05pm

      And this latest gun legislation is nothing but an emotional reaction by paranoid anti-gun nuts.

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      AxelPhantom  
    • fedupcitizen2012
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 7:45pm

      I am going to by a new AR-15 next week. It is not an emotional response. It is a logical one. The idiots in Washington are going to try and take away my rights. I am pre-empting that, knowing that they will probably get what they want, and I won’t be able to get my new AR for very much longer.

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    • Skeeterhawk
      Dec. 28, 2012 at 7:16am

      encinom
      Posted on December 27, 2012 at 1:38pm

      The surge in gun sales is due to the fact that irrational, paranoid anti second amendment individuals want only the military and the police to posses firearms. Why do you fear law abiding citizens that posses a firearm?

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      Skeeterhawk  
  • rangerskippy
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:46pm

    facts mean very little to liberals and socialists like Obama. They are all about ideology, not facts

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    • encinom
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:39pm

      No, its the truht that the supporters of child murder and the NRA can’t handle. Facts are on the side of those seeking to bring about reasonable gun laws. While gun nuts depend on lies and fear.

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      encinom  
    • AxelPhantom
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:12pm

      Funny thing is Encinom, that the same people who are screaming about guns killing children see nothing wrong with killing them days or weeks before they leave their mother’s womb or slowly killing their spirit with liberal messages of victimhood in the inner cities.

      Because of that conflict, logic would dictate that there is another issue at work here that has nothing to do with children. Hmmmm…now what could that be?

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    • Fubared
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 4:44pm

      Encidiot
      Child murderers? Coming from a pro choice stance huh? Won’t happen dude. Won’t comply, sold all my baby killing machines to some encidiot over the interwebby.

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    • katzkiner
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 8:16pm

      It is incredible to me to see the selective outrage over 20 babies killed by a deranged maniac when no one cares about the 2000 babies killed daily by their sane mommies and rational doctors in the named of CHIOCE. At least the boy in CT was crazy. Mom and doc,
      what is your excuse?

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  • NicholasDL
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:44pm

    I will write this as often as necessary.

    End the whining. It is all fait accompli. The critical issue here is that for all the bravado and feigned offense of them commenting on this issue and sitting around the kitchen table complaining, no one would lift one finger if the 2nd Amendment were entirely repealed.

    Whether progressive or conservative, republican or democrat, anti-gun or pro-gun; none of you will sacrifice cable television, microwave dinners, football season or the comfort of your warm beds and homes to do more than whine as your capitulation is assured.

    Jefferson wrote: “…it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…”

    They who fought the revolutionary war, the civil war, the wars against Germany did not wait for change at the ballot box; they placed their lives, fortunes and futures in jeopardy to end oppression. They did not permit media convince them that resistance was the realm of the insane, of the “preppers” and of the lone propagandist.

    You will simply complain during commercial breaks; empty complaints with no action. Each deserves all that is coming.

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    • 19RANDY59
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 1:07pm

      You sir are correct. Having said that, who will be the first to sacrifice themselves? I believe some have, but are marginalized, and made to look like fools by the powers that be. I don’t believe my neighbors would stand with me. Do you have a solution that doesn’t end up with so many dead citizens?

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    • jcldwl
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:38pm

      @ Nicholas
      I am pro gun I have already given up cable, football, and microwave dinners. The only thing left to give up is the warm bed and house. So now that you are so sure no one will give these things up, what is your big plan because I don’t see one in your writing. Mine is to examine my state constitution and ensure it guarantees us the rights to gun ownership of all kinds. If not then I will work at the local level to get that going. Then it will become a states rights issue. I suggest everyone do the same.

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    • Rice Water
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 2:41pm

      The timeless words of wisdom I generally fall back on: Gotta break eggs to make an omelette. Unless your making one of those Egg-Beater omelettes…but who ever orders one of those?

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    • katzkiner
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 8:37pm

      I used to have a book titled “The Light and the Glory”. Twas a book about the events leading to the American Revolution. We are almost there again, all that is missing is the tyrants attempting to disarm Americans. The question is are the tyrants as willingto die to disarm us as we are willing to die to stay free? Hell, we have to die sometime anyway.

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    • Intruder196
      Dec. 28, 2012 at 3:00am

      Our founding fathers risked their lives and fortunes to deliver the freedoms that we enjoy. I doubt the the genuineness of liberal objectives to protect our children. The liberal premise that compliance and decency can only be achieved by agreeing with their views is fundamentally flawed.. The individual states should pass legislature to prevent the federal government from undemocratic laws, which undermine the constitution. These should include and strengthen our first, second, fourth, and tenth amendment rights. The tenth amendment prevents states like California from establishing precedence for the conservative constituents of other states. In my opinion, California and their politicians are a big bowl of granola (Fruits, flakes and nuts).

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  • BlackCrow
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:44pm

    An armed man is a citizen

    A man disbarred the use of arms is a subject.

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  • Salamander
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:38pm

    Great article, Will! Now, let’s get it out on YouTube, so it can go viral! And, send a copy to The Washington Post and to The New York Times! Unfortuantely, we do the same thing with nuclear power, solar energy and almost everything else where emotions and mass hysteria can easily trump facts and rational thought. Thanks again for your research and publication!

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  • sefstrom
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:35pm

    Ladies & Gentlemen:

    …” There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to GOVERN. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be MASTERS”…Daniel Webster We Americans can truly say that the Masters have arrived. Little else has to be said to folks that want to continue to be free.

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    • DougHuffman
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:49pm

      Humpty Dumpty on masters –

      “I don’t know what you mean … ” Alice said.
      Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. … ”
      “But [it] doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.
      “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
      “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

      “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master that’s all.”

      Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. “They’ve a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they’re the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”

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  • EqualForce
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:26pm

    As law-abiding citizens we are expected to navigate the labyrinth of conflicting state laws regarding firearms and we do successfully everyday. Although many of these laws don’t seem to make sense to firearm owners we still respect them and abide by them everyday.

    Firearms are used more often by law-abiding citizens for self-defense than by deranged criminals to commit horrible acts of mass violence. For several examples for the recent use of firearms for defensive purposes not typically reported by the national media please visit: http://www.equalforce.net and forward this address to others to whom this information may be useful. @forceequalizer

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  • Uechi
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:20pm

    The 2nd Amendment is not open for discussion that simple Willy!

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    Uechi  
    • gyro
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 3:40pm

      wait wait everythig is up for conversation
      some things though should always be debated
      this is one

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      gyro  
  • FlagWavingPatriot
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:18pm

    Facts?! FACTS?! PFFT!!!

    The anti-gun nuts out there licking their chops right now don’t give a rat’s ass about facts. They want guns gone, and no amount of education, data, perspective, or rational thought will stand in the way.

    More kids are killed by swimming pools than by guns.
    More kids are killed by household cleaners than by guns.
    More kids are killed by falling than by guns.
    More kids die by vehicles than do by guns.
    More kids die by fire than do by guns.
    More kids die by natural causes than do by guns.
    More kids die by suffocation than do by guns.
    It’s very likely that more kids will die at the hands of abortionists this week than will die by guns in the entire next decade.

    It matters not to the anti-gun nuts that life, in itself, is a dangerous proposition. The nuts are, well, nuts.

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  • DesdemonasCrew
    Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:11pm

    Facts? We don’t need no stinking facts!

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    • GuruMeditation
      Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Fact’s are good, but really we just need honest people along with our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

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