Fox News host Tucker Carlson took on a gun control advocate on his show Friday over Seattle's recent gun tax and its apparent failure to quell gun violence, and instead, backfire completely.
In 2015, Seattle implemented a "gun violence tax," which aimed to reduce the amount of gun violence in its city limits. The tax imposed a $25 tax for every firearm purchased and a $.05 tax for every round of ammunition bought within the city limits. The tax has hurt small business owners in the city that own gun stores and has even forced many of them to lay off workers, move to the suburbs or completely shutdown altogether.
But new reports indicate the law hasn't worked the way it was intended to. In fact, violence has increased in Seattle and murders have doubled this year. Carlson said it proves the law has backfired. Gun control advocate Mark Glaze disagreed.
Glaze said the purpose of the law was to help fund studies of gun control and not to end gun violence like Carlson allegedly claimed. However, Carlson said that isn't what he claims.
"I'm merely noting the obvious, which is the gun tax didn't make the city any safer," Carlson said. "What's the point of any of this...if it doesn't make the city any safer? That's the whole point. Right?"
Glaze responded by accusing the "gun lobby" of preventing the federal government from allocating funds to study gun violence, so Seattle created their tax in order to do it themselves. But Carlson wanted Glaze to address the real facts of the matter.
"Again, the whole point of all of this...is to reduce gun violence — and it doubled [in Seattle]," Carlson said. "So it's hard to take you or people like you seriously if you don't let the data drive your conclusions. And the date here are really clear, crystal clear. This didn't work, so why would you still support it?"
Glaze again reiterated his claim that no person in Seattle thought the gun tax would drive down gun violence, but Carlson quickly called out him out.
"That's not true," the Fox host interrupted. "They didn't say 'we're gonna end all gun violence,' but they said it would make it a safer city — and the city got more dangerous."
Glaze then tried to move the conversation along to discuss control measures that he alleged the public "wants." He said that instead of a gun tax, Seattle should implement a ban on "semi-automatic" rifles with "high capacity" magazines, alleging that gang members "most often" use them to commit acts of gun violence while drawing a connection to the weapon used to nearly assassinate House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) earlier this month.
But once again, Carlson was quick to throw a time-out on the field.
"But your numbers are just wrong," Carlson replied. "Actually, a relatively small percentage of murders in this country are committed with rifles of any kind. They're almost all committed with handguns."
"So I know these guns may look scary, and they send you guys into a frenzy because they're terrified-looking, but they don't actually drive the problems. So again, you're wrong," he explained.
Given the number of firearms in America — which is believable to be several hundred million — Carlson said the "truth" of the matter is the only way gun control advocates will get what they want is through gun confiscation.
Glaze suggested the federal government buyback Americans' guns in order to dramatically reduce the number of firearms in the country similar to what Australia did. But Carlson noted that Australia's gun "buyback" wasn't voluntary and was actually gun confiscation.
"That's not true, that's not true," Carlson said. "They didn't buy them back. They confiscated them by force. You had no option. It wasn't voluntary. If you tried that in this country, you would have a civil war in about 10 minutes."
"Is that the plan? To take people's guns by force?" Carlson questioned.
Glaze responded by alleging two-third of American gun owners would willingly give up their firearms in a government buyback.
"Good luck with that, Mark," Carlson quipped.