Fox News host Tucker Carlson got into a tense exchange with an immigration activist on his show Friday who said that President Donald Trump is more dangerous than MS-13, a violence Latin American gang that is ravaging streets nationwide.
Since becoming president, Trump has made eradicating MS-13 a priority of his administration. On Friday, he spoke to a group of police officers on Long Island and explained that it is his goal to "destroy the violent criminal cartel" that is MS-13.
Considering the gang's extreme barbary, it would be hard to imagine that anyone would disagree with Trump's plan — but Carlson managed to find one of those people: Daniel Altschuler of "Make the Road New York," an immigrant-rights group.
Altschuler came out of the gate swinging. He accused Trump of using a "broad brush" to paint all immigrants as criminals and said Trump's administration wants to "vilify" immigrants.
"It has been the agenda of this president since the first day of his campaign," Altschuler said, alleging that Trump's plan to eradicate MS-13 from American streets is really about "tearing apart immigrant families."
But Carlson had no plans to engage in a conversation filled with Altschuler's rhetoric.
"Wait, stop stop stop!" Carlson interrupted. "Look, I'm giving you a voice on this show, spare me the dumb rhetoric and answer my question. What is wrong with — and stop with the slogans — honestly, what is wrong with going after MS-13?"
Altschuler then begin to explain that "data" suggests immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than regular Americans. And while that may or may not be true, Altschuler never addressed MS-13 or Carlson's questions.
"You're dodging my question — stop. I know you want to give your speech, but I'm asking you about MS-13," Carlson said. "You don't like the administration's position on immigration, I get it."
Then Altschuler tried to talk over Carlson, but the Fox host persisted. Carlson said it's proven that MS-13 likes to "prey" on immigrants, so he questioned why Altschuler is so concerned with Trump's plan on MS-13 if he's pro-immigrant.
Carlson's question forced Altschuler to finally admit that MS-13 poses a public safety threat, but said the threat can't be addressed until the "systematic neglect" of immigrant communities is addressed.
"Honestly, only someone who went to an overpriced college could reach a conclusion so theoretical that it's utterly divorced from reality," Carlson said of Altschuler's theory.
Given the threat MS-13 poses to immigrant families, many of which are undocumented, Carlson went on to suggest that in a rare moment, the interests of Altschuler and Trump align. But the activist was adamant that they don't, again accusing Trump of wanting to tear apart families.
In response, Carlson had just one question.
"Whose a bigger threat to immigrant families? The president or MS-13?" Carlson asked.
"The president — without question," Altschuler immediately replied without hesitation.
"That's grotesque," Carlson shot back. "You don't actually know anything."
"You're making the case, basically, that if a drunk driver kills somebody, we shouldn't attack him because we would be vilifying all drivers — that's insane," Carlson explained. "Why can't we just call bad actors what they are?
Altschuler went on to explain that much of his criticism stems from the fact that Trump wants to empower Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a government agency that Altschuler said is "rogue."