Disciples of Machiavellianism may be alive in the House Republican Caucus.
Freshman House Republican Thomas Massie told TheBlaze Monday that he has seen colleagues in private meetings argue against measures to defund Obamacare in order to have what they consider to be the law's doomed policy go into effect for the electoral benefit of the GOP.
"In other words, they want Obamacare to be enacted so that the American public will feel the pain?" TheBlaze contributor Mallory Factor asked the congressman in video interview (below).
"To feel the pain," Massie responded.
The Kentucky Republican won't name names, but says in his short time in Congress he seen individuals step up during behind-closed-doors meetings with 10 or 12 Republicans to argue against ideas like attaching the funding of Obamacare to the next debt limit deal, based on the notion that 'if we delay Obamacare after the elections, than we won't win as many seats in the House and we wont win the Senate.'
"Just like they're throwing the conservatives in the House of Representatives under the bus, some people are ready to throw everybody in the United States under the bus--under the Obamacare bus--for an electoral advantage," Massie said. "Frankly, it's disgusting."
"Once we socialize all of our healthcare you're not going to turn that back until something big happens."
The MIT grad has developed a reputation to be brash and not a team player according to some other Republicans in Congress, Factor noted in the interview.
Massie was part of a failed plot to elect another Speaker of the House than John Boehner at the start of this session of Congress. Massie tells TheBlaze that going into the vote, he believed he was one of 21 members locked in to vote for somebody else for House Speaker, but "eight of them split within five minutes once the cameras came on."
Massie said a horrible fiscal cliff deal at the end of the previous session inspired him to go against Boehner.
"It increased taxes, it increased spending, and it passed with a minority of Republicans and a majority of Democrats," Massie told Factor.
"It all became clear to me in that instance--'Look this is the blue print for how things are going to go the next two years; the conservatives are going to get thrown under the bus, and the leadership is going to find 40, or 80, or 100 Democrats to go pass the bill'," Massie said, pointing to the Farm Bill last week as the latest example of this.
Massie went straight to Congress after a special election in November 2012. In the new session the Kentucky Republican is on the Oversight Committee. Given the lack of transparency from the Obama administration despite campaign promises, it's a committee Massie is happy to be on.
"Right now we're kinda pulling back the drywall and looking at the termite damage he's done to our country and constitution over the past four and a half years," Massie told Factor.
Massie says his work and education as an engineer to fix things and begin at facts to find solutions has influenced the way he looks at his job now. Living in a house with solar panels and driving an electric car, Factor jokingly asked Massie Monday if he's a liberal deep down.
"I'd say I'm a true conservative" Massie said. "Liberals have got a monopoly on protecting the environment, or all the cool technology, and I don't think we should cede that territory. "
Massie is not for massive subsides, but said embracing new technologies gives more power to the individual and less to the government.
In the full interview below, watch Rep. Thomas Massie discuss the issues above as well as what he thinks will happen the next time a debt ceiling vote comes up, questioning Lois Lerner on the IRS scandall, and a bill he has put forward to let farmers grow hemp.
"Industrial hemp: think rope, not dope," Massie said of the proposal, which he explained is in reality a jobs bill not a drugs bill.