TheBlaze's S.E. Cupp and former Obama administration czar Van Jones, who are now both co-hosts of CNN's "Crossfire," got into a tense debate over gun control and the effectiveness of so-called "gun free zones" on school campuses Wednesday.
CNN anchor Jake Tapper hosted the debate on "The Lead" in the aftermath of the potential school shooting in Georgia, asking whether teachers and administrators should have access to firearms. Predictably, Jones and Cupp didn't agree on the issue.
“When I go to a college campus, I can’t bring my gun. And we wonder why we have so many rapes and sexual assaults, because we are disarming people that would orderly be allowed to carry guns to protect themselves," Cupp said, adding that "gun-free zones" put people in danger.
Jones called the idea of arming teachers "exotic" and said tightening up background checks is the logical step in the effort to reduce gun violence.
"The problem with this argument is always the same: criminals do not submit to background checks," Cupp replied sharply.
She then told Jones that the "gun control that you all talk about as a salve for things like this is a fantasy."
"It's delusional," she added.
However, Jones argued "the numbers" show that restrictions on gun ownership translates into a reduction in violent crime involving guns.
"No law – no criminal law – will stop all crime. But you can reduce crime, and we’re not doing it," Jones responded.
Cupp was far from convinced. She went on to say that the idea that background checks for law abiding citizens will reduce crime is "preposterous."
Watch the segment via CNN below: