Glenn Beck spoke with Watermark Community Church Pastor Todd Wagner of Dallas on Thursday about the issues of the day, saying America is "so full of rage and anger right now -- everything that is anti-Christ."
"I think we're filled with rage ... because of the leaders that we're choosing," Wagner said. "We're not choosing leaders that are helping us focus on the thing that ultimately sets us free."
Wagner said America's "Judeo-Christian ethic, which [said] let's pursue righteousness, peace, love and forgiveness" has been replaced by a more "culturally Marxist" philosophy.
"Now what does that mean? Marxists always want to push you into classes," Wagner said. "It's going to say, 'Let's separate these people by class, by gender, by race, by sexual preference, and then let's take you, the persecuted minority, and I will be your advocate. I'm going to get my power by appealing to your plight and I, frankly, am going to maintain my power by keeping your plight the issue.' And what it does is it pits us all against one another, and it makes us concerned about our own little small area and it keeps us from working together toward the one thing we all need: righteousness, truth, peace, love."
But Wagner also said "we can't get mad at Washington."
"We are responsible for Washington," he said. "This is a government of the people, by the people, for the people."
Wagner suggested America stop electing politicians and start electing "statesmen, people that are concerned for the state, not for keeping themselves in office."
Beck has praised Wagner for not shying away from discussing current events, and Wagner said he just tries to apply biblical principles to the issues. As he sees it, people come to church for eternal guidance, but many are also looking for answers on how to live their lives.
You can see part of Beck's interview with Wagner -- which also covered topics like the economy and immigration -- below.
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