Glenn Beck on Monday interviewed Imam Moujahed Bakhach and Taher el Badawi, two of the four judges of the controversial new Islamic tribunal in Irving, Texas.
The imam said it is a "misconception" that Shariah law allows for abuse, slavery and the stoning of homosexuals, and the tribunal will only deal with civil matters. Criminal issues will be left to the state.
"Cutting the hand off or chopping the head -- this is not Shariah. It is not Shariah," Bakhach stated. "What we see overseas now with ISIS, ISIL, the whole Muslim world condemn that and rejected it, unacceptable."
But Beck said it is "not true" that the whole Muslim world rejects the Islamic State, asking: "Where does the reformation come from then? Because you're saying you don't practice that kind of Shariah law. Who's the reformer that you look to?"
"Jews and Christians don't believe that man making laws is an abomination," Beck added. "Where it's my understanding that in the Islamic culture, man doesn't make laws. God makes laws."
"The Shariah, who's behind the Shariah?" Bakhach said, growing heated. "The Shariah means a holy text mentioned, whether general or specific. For example, Muslims, we do not drink alcohol. Why? Because God says in the Koran, 'Don't drink alcohol.' ... My point really I want to make clear here is not the issue of cutting the hands, and even the criminal law is not just because somebody steal and then cut the hand. It's not that way. There is a system of investigation, a system of hearing, a system of finding out if he's a criminal."
The imam discussed Shariah law further, highlighting its role in families and daily life, adding: "It is not just cutting or chopping, it is not the issue."
"But I think where people come from is, there has been no reformation," Beck said. "Our president just accused Christians of slaughtering people during the Crusades, but there's been a reformation. There's no reformation in Islam. For instance, the Koran says that 'the trees and the rocks will cry out, there's a Jew hiding behind...'"
"It's not true," the imam retorted. "I challenge you to bring me that."
The imam prevaricated when Beck asked if the statement was in the Hadith, and Beck later found out that it was.
"If we can't trust an imam, a scholar who knows the Hadith ... and he denies that he's ever even heard that, how do we trust the rest of what he said?" Beck asked.
Daniel Ghasem Akbari, a scholar of Islam who converted to Christianity, told Beck later in the program: "The first point is, nobody should expect an American anchor to know everything about all angles of Islam. If he's honest, he has to correct and say, 'Sir, what you are talking about, that's not in the Koran, that's in the Hadith. ... Shariah Law is a combination of the laws that come from both the Koran and the Hadith.'"
Watch more from the interview, below.
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