Gregg Phillips, the man many assume sent a Tweet that prompted President Donald Trump to make declarations of massive voter fraud in the 2016 elections, spoke to CNN's "New Day" Friday morning and continued to assert that he has proof of 3 million illegal votes and that he will share it "when the time is right."
Phillips told host Chris Cuomo that he and his fact checkers — who have been linked to True the Vote, a Tea Party group whose organizer was among those targeted by the IRS — has amassed a database of 189 million voting records that has been augmented with geocoding, residency, felon status, citizenship and identity information. He said he will release the raw data, methodology and conclusions to the public as soon as he finishes checking to ensure it's verified.
"Our concerns all along ... [have been] should we push this out there? We're talking about accusing 3 million people of multiple felonies," Phillips told Cuomo. "It's a federal felony to register to vote [illegally], and it's a federal felony to vote [illegally]. ... It's in our interests, and everyone else's interest, that we take our time. Time is not as important as veracity."
Cuomo continued to press Phillips on whether he had actual proof, suggesting the information wasn't provable if it was necessary to check to confirm accuracy. Cuomo pounded away at the idea that the conclusions can't be an approximation, that they must be a fixed number of votes that were wrongfully cast because Phillips has "put it on the line" that the Democratic process is illegitimate.
"You already said you proved this. Now you're saying why you don't want to put out the information because you're not 100 percent yet about who everybody is that you think they are. Those [two statements] fight each other," Cuomo said to Phillips. "If I say I know ... and you say prove it and I say I can't because I'm not done checking whether or not I'm sure ... it sounds unconvincing."
Phillips responded by saying that the system has, over time, institutionalized fraud.
"If someone comes into the registration system and checks the box that says, 'I'm a citizen,' and no one ever checks that, then that person ends up on the voter rolls," he said.
"You can't know how many people have checked a box wrongly," Cuomo countered
"But we do, we've gathered that information," Phillips said.
"And you have to show us the proof ... why would I would believe your conclusion if you won't show me your method and analysis?," Cuomo asked.
"Whether you believe it or not, doesn't mean it's not true. Whether you have the information or not, doesn't mean I don't," Phillips finished.
As to whether Trump is using Phillips' data to make his claim of voter fraud, Phillips said he can't make a determination about that and that his effort began years and years ago.
"Our motivation in initiating this had nothing to do with President Trump," Phillips said.
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