Carl Lentz, pastor at Hillsong Church, appeared on "The View" last week to promote his new book, "Own the Moment" — but the one moment everyone is talking about is Lentz's refusal to call abortion sin.
What did Lentz say?
Right out of the gate, co-host Sara Haines asked Lentz his thoughts on social issues important to millennials, such as abortion and gay marriage.
"Where do you stand on social issues that young people are particularly passionate about, like gay marriage, abortion — how do you address those types of things?"
Lentz would not initially commit to an answer and said only that he believes that it's important to point people to God.
Co-host Joy Behar, however, wasn't going to be deterred from having the question answered.
"So it's not a sin in your church to have an abortion?" she interrupted.
Lentz, who seemed taken aback, responded, "Um, that's the kind of conversation we would have finding out your story, where you're from, what you believe."
"God's the judge," he added. "People have to live to their own convictions, and I think if I have to tell you ... that's such a broad question to me."
Behar interrupted a second time and said, "So it's not an open-and-shut case with you."
"Some people would say it is," Lentz responded. "I think, to me, I'm trying to teach people who Jesus is first, find out their story before I start picking and choosing what I think is sin in your life, I'd like to know your name."