MSNBC host Chris Hayes asked Michael Moore on Friday what he's most looking forward to in 2019. Moore replied: “As many members of the Trump family in orange jumpsuits as possible."
“That seems mean-spirited," Hayes said.
“It's really the wrong way to end such a festive time of the year with such animosity toward those who would do wrong to this country, but yes," the filmmaker and activist responded.
Hayes told Moore he's “not alone," in his sentiment. Many people are hoping for criminal indictments surrounding the president, he said.
What do they believe it could happen?
The two went on to agree that Trump has been getting away with things “for decades,"
“That streak shouldn't end this year," because “Trump has always been careful to be not in the room when the crime is being committed," Moore said.
The conversation then turned to how they believe Trump is “canny."
“Self-preservation," Moore said. “…Anything that has to do with me, me, me, me."
Moore added that he believes the president's top concerns are how things affect him and whether he will gain or lose money.
“If something's going to happen in a room with Russians or others that could find him indicted, I think more than likely -because remember he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs – he is of his own faculties. He made sure that he wasn't in the room," he said.
What about the mainstream media's role?
Moore went on to say the media need to resolve to not let Trump “control the conversation every single day."
“Let's talk about what we want to talk about," Moore said. “We set the conversation."
Hayes said he would be more interested in “finding things out," than seeing people in orange jumpsuits. There are still many things that aren't known, he explained.
“I have a personal thirst to know exactly what went down in 2016," Hayes said.
Moore said he believes that what's more important is what's going to happen next year. For starters, he'd like to see double or triple the number of women running for office in 2020.
“It's a citizen's responsibility to participate," Moore said.