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Podcast host Ziwe called out Jones for not engaging with her work 'as a black woman.'
A friendly podcast interview turned into a harrowing ordeal when comedian Leslie Jones faced every celebrity's nightmare: having to justify her progressive beliefs.
In a recent appearance on writer and comedian Ziwe's YouTube show "You'd Be an Iconic Guest," the "Saturday Night Live" alum was her usual confident self, offering her takes on race, marriage, and culture.
Confident, that is, until the host began challenging Jones' logic.
'If he expecting you to be a trad wife, might as well pull out a whip and a chain.'
After Jones said she finds "powerful men" like President Barack Obama attractive, Ziwe suggested that this proclivity might be interpreted as "submissive."
"Could you be a trad wife, is what I'm asking," the host added.
"Absolutely f**king not," Jones replied.
When pressed to clarify, Jones expanded her contempt to marriage in general.
"Because that's not who the f**k I am. And my daddy didn't raise me like that," Jones asserted. "To be anybody's wife. My dad used to literally say that to me, 'I didn't raise you to be somebody's wife.'"
"That's so brave," Ziwe replied, in a tone that suggested the opposite.
Undaunted — or unaware — Jones brought her rant to a bold conclusion: "I think marriage is legalized slavery."
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Ziwe, demonstrating an impressive restraint, calmly encouraged her guest to pursue her bizarre line of thought.
"Say more. Because if I'm thinking about slavery and I'm thinking about marriage, there are two different images that come into my head."
"Absolutely not," Jones came back. "I don't know how you don't. A man is, especially if he expecting you to be a trad wife, might as well pull out a whip and a chain."
"I don't believe in ... marriage. ... And I don't think it's beneficial for a woman at all," Jones went on.
As Jones' irritation mounted, Ziwe ramped up the trolling, asking her guest which cause she cared less about: gay rights or men's rights.
"Male rights," Jones replied. "Because f**k them, they already got rights."

Again, Ziwe pressed Jones to explain.
When Jones said something about men needing to "evolve," Ziwe countered by bringing up a recent incident in which the NBA reprimanded Jones for disrupting a game while sitting courtside.
"So it's interesting as you talk about how men should do better and get better. You're barking at a, you know, young 24-year-old doing their job ... what's the logic there?" the host asked.
Jones confirmed the incident, offering no justification other than her age: "I'm 58 ... I should be able to do whatever I want."
As the interview went on, Jones became increasingly exasperated, likening it to an interrogation, asking for her publicist, and at one point musing, "My career about to be over 'cause I think I'm going to attack this person."
The interview culminated with Ziwe — demonstrating an impressive command of progressive-ese — calling out Jones for not watching her show before her appearance.
"You've never engaged with my work at all as a black woman? ... Wow. And so you're talking about breaking the glass ceiling and how men should do better. And you have a black woman sitting across from you, and you can't even think to engage with her work[?]"
While Jones gamely stayed for the entire interview, despite her evident discomfort, she did admit it was not an enjoyable experience. "I'm gonna need therapy after this."
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Andrew Chapados