A biomedical doctor who specializes in adult stem cell research revealed earlier this week that she has long suspected that some aborted fetuses are still alive when their hearts are harvested.
Dr. Theresa Deisher, founder of Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute and AVM Biotechnology, made the claim this week at the same time that a pro-life group released a new video alleging that a brain was harvested from a "late-term male fetus whose heart was still beating."
Deisher, who vocally opposes embryonic stem cell research and the harvesting of aborted fetal tissue, told The Church Boys podcast on Wednesday that she received a phone call four years ago from David Daleiden, the head of the Center for Medical Progress — the group that has released seven videos that purport to show Planned Parenthood selling fetal body parts.
It was then that Daleiden began relying upon Deisher for information about the science behind the harvesting of fetal body parts, though she said that she was not involved with the filming or editing of the video series that has been making headlines.
Listen to Deisher discuss medical ethics and her harvesting suspicions below:
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"[I made him] aware of how the material was being described," she told The Church Boys of her discussions with Daleiden. "And most importantly were my suspicions that some of these babies were alive when they were harvested."
When asked what leads her to believe that babies are alive while harvesting takes place, Deisher cited research that she has read from other scientists, focusing mainly on their claims about the best possible tissue available for procurement.
"Scientists doing research on fetal heart muscle describe the optimal tissue and the procurement parameters, and they state in their papers that gestational age of greater than 20 weeks is optimal," she said, noting that a child at 22 or 23 weeks gestation could survive and live a normal life. "Fetal gestational age of 20 weeks or beyond is preferable."
Deisher said that the process, as far as she is concerned, likely wouldn't be possible if a baby were to be killed in utero and then harvested afterward. She said it likely involves removing the heart, flushing the blood out and cleaning the organ.
"You just can't do that if the baby has been killed in utero ... think of that timing," she said. "Because of that, I have suspected for years that, in some instances, these babies are alive when they are dissected and harvested."
Watch the latest video from the Center for Medical Progress below (caution: graphic):
Deisher also added her belief that babies so far along in the gestational process are able to feel pain, and said that she does not believe fetal tissue is needed and that there are better, safer and more morally sound methods for conducting medical research.
She suggested animal research and biological computer simulation as more viable alternatives.
As for Daleiden's ability to permeate Planned Parenthood staffers, Deisher said that she was somewhat surprised.
"I think that it speaks to the absolute arrogance of the organization," she said. "They are so arrogant that either they thought that they were impenetrable, or they believe that they are so powerful that nothing can bring them down."
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