In a dizzying and contentious CNN interview focusing on world politics, Pink Floyd founder Roger Waters explained why he's calling President Joe Biden a "war criminal" as part of his current concert tour — and managed to declare that "Taiwan is part of China" and even that Russia "almost" won World War II.
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The bass player and songwriter behind iconic albums such as "The Wall" and "The Dark Side of the Moon" previously targeted former President Donald Trump and Israel, but with his current "This Is Not a Drill Tour,” Waters has taken issue with Biden:
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When CNN’s Michael Smerconish recently asked Waters about his anti-Biden imagery at his concerts, Waters replied, “Well, he’s fueling the [war] in the Ukraine, for a start. That is a huge crime. Why won’t the United States of America encourage [Ukraine President Volodymyr] Zelenskyy ... to negotiate, obviating the need for this horrific, horrendous war ...”
When Smerconish told Waters he's “blaming the party who got invaded — c'mon, you've got it reversed,” Waters shot back with the following to the CNN host: "Any war, when did it start? What you need to do is look at the history, and you can say, ‘Well, it started on this day.’ You could say it started in 2008 … This war is basically about the action and reaction of NATO pushing right up to the Russian border, which they promised they wouldn’t do when [Mikhail] Gorbachev negotiated the withdrawal of the USSR from the whole of Eastern Europe.”
Smerconish countered by asking Waters about the U.S.'s role as “liberators," particularly during World War II.
Waters wasn't having it: “You got into World War II because of Pearl Harbor. You were completely isolationists until that sad, that devastating, awful day in 1941 ... Thank God the Russians had already won the bloody war almost by then. Don't forget 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace.”
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The back-and-forth didn't let up, as Smerconish argued that "you would think that the Russians would've learned their lesson from war — and wouldn't have invaded Ukraine."
With that Waters told the host — who was chuckling by this point — “I would suggest you, Michael ... go away and read a bit more, and then try and figure out what the United States would do if the Chinese were putting nuclear-armed missiles into Mexico and Canada."
"The Chinese are too busy encircling Taiwan as we speak, OK?" Smerconish chirped back at Waters.
"They're not encircling Taiwan! Taiwan is part of China! And that's been absolutely accepted by the whole of the international community since 1948," Waters hollered at the host. "And if you don’t know that, you're not reading enough. Go and read about it! ... You're believing your propaganda, your side’s propaganda. ... You can’t have a conversation about human rights, and you can’t have a conversation about Taiwan without actually doing the reading.”
Then it was Smerconish's turn to get testy: "Roger, Roger! If you're having a conversation about human rights, at the top of the list of offenders are the Chinese. Why is it always the Western world ..."
“The Chinese didn’t invade Iraq and kill a million people in 2003,” Waters interrupted, and soon wondered, "Who have the Chinese invaded and murdered, slaughtered?”
“Their own,” Smerconish replied, presumably in reference to the Uyghurs, although Smericonish didn't clarify that in the moment. "Their own."
“Bullocks! That’s absolute nonsense! Complete nonsense! You should go away and read!" Waters shot back before the interview ended on a surprisingly friendly note.
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(H/T: Consequence of Sound)