Univision anchor Jorge Ramos — a major critic of President Donald Trump, particularly on the subject of illegal immigration — told Fox News' Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night that Trump "wants to make America white again."
The interview heated up after Carlson told Ramos that Mexico isn't in any position to call the U.S. "racist" for wanting to protect its border given that Mexico "exterminated its black population" and "had a caste system based on blood until pretty recently."
“This is an economic argument about who benefits from migration," Carlson pressed. "It’s not really about race, is it?”
“No, Tucker, I think we should criticize both countries,” Ramos replied. “There’s discrimination in Mexico.”
What bomb did Ramos drop about Trump?
Ramos then added: “But when we have a president, like President Trump, who has made racist statements, who clearly wants to make America white again ..."
“Oh, come on,” an annoyed Carlson replied.
Ramos continued: “When he said that he wants to bring immigrants from Norway and not from Haiti and from Africa, don’t you think that’s a racist statement? From the White House.”
How did Carlson argue back?
“Literally something like 85 percent of our immigrants are nonwhite,” Carlson argued back to Ramos. “It’s not a question of white or nonwhite. It’s a question of whether Mexico gets to use the United States as its welfare system.”
Ramos appeared to relent a bit, admitting that "immigration is simply a matter of supply and demand, and we have to understand it's an economic phenomenon ..."
Carlson agreed and got in the final word: “So, let’s drop the moral cudgel of race so we can have a rational, adult conversation about this rather than muddying it with this college student nonsense about identity politics."
Here's the full interview. The relevant portion begins at the 5:45 mark: