Mark Batterson, the pastor of the National Community Church in Washington, D.C. and author of "The Circle Maker," said Wednesday that miracles are happening all around us -- many people just don't recognize them.
Batterson was speaking with Glenn Beck, who remarked: "I do believe that in our lifetime we will see men great enough, and the times great enough, to where they will stick a staff [in the water] and say 'part!' And it will part. I believe that is possible, but the times need to call for it and the men have to be humble enough so it's not about them."
The pastor agreed, and added: "I've met a lot of people who say they've never experienced a miracle. Well, hold on a minute because we're on a planet that's spinning at a thousand miles per hour. We're traveling 67,000 miles per hour through space. ... Glenn, if that isn't a miracle, I don't know what is."
"We already believe God for the big miracles," Batterson said. "Now we just need to believe him for the little ones. ... God is great because nothing is too big, but he's also great because nothing is too small."
Beck -- who described Batterson as a "spiritual giant" whose books are "life changing" -- agreed and said that in some ways, miracles are about changing your perspective. It is about recognizing miracles as miracles, instead of seeing them as extraordinary coincidences.
"We trust him to keep the planets in orbit, that's the big thing," Batterson said. "Now can we trust that he's ordering our footsteps, that he's preparing good works in advance, that I can do all things through Christ? I think it's learning to trust him in the little things."
Batterson's new book, "The Grave Robber: How Jesus Can Make Your Impossible Possible," highlights miracles Jesus performed in the Bible, one of which was turning water in to wine.
"It's Jesus' way of saying, 'Watch this. Even the simplest atom in the universe, I'll make something beautiful out of it. I have the authority, I have the power to do it. And so he's the wine maker in John 2, and then these miracles get more and more amazing as you go along," Batterson said.
The pastor said he likes to tell his congregation that -- just as the water responded to Jesus, so can we, acting as "someone else's miracle."
"There's someone today, there's something you could do, that would be a miracle in their life," he said. "Let's humble ourselves before him and not explain away what we can't explain, but embrace the mystery and embrace the miracle."
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